Viclos wrote:
> DougW wrote:

>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>>
>> Also possible the relay is bad. swap with fog light relay and test.
>>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to help. I was there and I saw my
> mechanic take the relay out and the clutch kept right on going like
> nothing had happened. Then when he disconnected the wire it stopped
> becuse it had no power and he used a pen tester and there was power
> coming from the wire itself evethough the relay was still out of the
> housing. I will try your remedy and will respond again by the
> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
> as well?? Thanks again.

This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.

----------------------------------------------

Power to the AC clutch flows like this.

Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
The relay is similar to this one.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg

If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.

Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors

If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19

If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
pins 17 and 19

--
DougW

 

Viclos wrote:
> DougW wrote:

>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>>
>> Also possible the relay is bad. swap with fog light relay and test.
>>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to help. I was there and I saw my
> mechanic take the relay out and the clutch kept right on going like
> nothing had happened. Then when he disconnected the wire it stopped
> becuse it had no power and he used a pen tester and there was power
> coming from the wire itself evethough the relay was still out of the
> housing. I will try your remedy and will respond again by the
> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
> as well?? Thanks again.

This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.

----------------------------------------------

Power to the AC clutch flows like this.

Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
The relay is similar to this one.
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg

If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.

Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors

If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19

If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
pins 17 and 19

--
DougW

 

I corrected myself. I was saying that the clutch was contantly running and it
is the evaporator that is contantly freezing up. The clutch only comes on
when the car is on. I do apologize because that changes everything. With
regard to all the other descriptions of my problem with the air flow and such
it is correct.

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
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I corrected myself. I was saying that the clutch was contantly running and it
is the evaporator that is contantly freezing up. The clutch only comes on
when the car is on. I do apologize because that changes everything. With
regard to all the other descriptions of my problem with the air flow and such
it is correct.

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

I corrected myself. I was saying that the clutch was contantly running and it
is the evaporator that is contantly freezing up. The clutch only comes on
when the car is on. I do apologize because that changes everything. With
regard to all the other descriptions of my problem with the air flow and such
it is correct.

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
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Doug,
Any idea what the 3 relays under the glove compartment do??

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

Doug,
Any idea what the 3 relays under the glove compartment do??

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

Doug,
Any idea what the 3 relays under the glove compartment do??

DougW wrote:
>>> Does the clutch run with the relay out? With the clutch wire
>>> disconnected? If so, the clutch might be frozen.
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> morning. Do you think the other problems could be associated to this
>> as well?? Thanks again.
>
>This is for a 1993 ZJ. Your model might be different but without a schematic I can only guess.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Power to the AC clutch flows like this.
>
>Battery--fuse--->LowLimit Switch-->HighLimit Switch--->relay----->AC Clutch Positive
>The relay is similar to this one.
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay.jpg
>http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/relay-diagram.jpg
>
>If the AC relay was pulled and the clutch was still working, then there is a short in the relay center.
>
>Try disconnecting the high limit or low limit switches. Just disconnect
>the wire and that will cut all power to the relay
>(low limit is on the accumulator, high limit is on the back of the comressor)
>Ref: http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...s.html#sensors
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch doesn't stop the clutch then your short is
>betwen pins 16 and either 18 or 19
>
>If disconnecting the limit switch stops the clutch then the short is between
>pins 17 and 19
>

--
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Viclos via CarKB.com wrote:
> Doug,
> Any idea what the 3 relays under the glove compartment do??

If they are like my ZJ, one is for door lock, one for unlock, and one for
power antenna. There can be a fourth and it's for the alarm system.

--
DougW

 

Viclos via CarKB.com wrote:
> Doug,
> Any idea what the 3 relays under the glove compartment do??

If they are like my ZJ, one is for door lock, one for unlock, and one for
power antenna. There can be a fourth and it's for the alarm system.

--
DougW