Snow

Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the car
with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure that
it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going to
be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot nosed
teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E46845.6359E52E@sympatico.ca...
> Wheel lug nuts not torqued even or put on with an impact gun will warp
> the rotor. Chrysler rotors are really bad for that. Some garages are
> still too lazy to use the proper torque wrench and so they screwed your
> rotors for you.
>
> I would take it back to the shop and hope they don't notice you had it
> apart or they will say too bad....
>
> They cannot blame old rotors eh. Then when they try to BS you about
> their 'cool' torque stick on the impact gun, have the bent rotor in your
> hand slapping it like you want to use it up the side of his head eh.
>
> You don't need the gauge to check the runout. Just hold a straight edge
> against the rotor and rotate it, you will see the warp.
>
> Once warped it has to be turned on a lathe to go back straight which
> takes half the life off it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> R Sturk wrote:
>>
>> I have been having a pulsation in the brakes of my 97 Cherokee. This
>> has discs up front and drums in the back. It had a recent brake job and
>> the front rotors are new. When my wife told me about the problem (yeah,
>> to add insult to injury it's her car so I hear about it alot)I drove it
>> to try to find it. I heard a little scraping but instead of being smart
>> and having her stand on the side of the road and pinpoint the sound, I
>> started taking stuff apart. Anyway, I tore the front and back brakes
>> down and put them back together, double checking everything I could
>> think of including making sure the torques were all right. Then I
>> flushed all the old brake fluid, that was looking pretty nasty. Well,
>> the damn sound is gone but the pulsation isn't (although I think it's
>> somewhat better...my wife doesn't). I'm going to borrow a micrometer
>> from a buddy to check the front rotors. What else can anybody recommend
>> that I check? Thanks in advance.

Snow

Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the car
with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure that
it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going to
be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot nosed
teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E46845.6359E52E@sympatico.ca...
> Wheel lug nuts not torqued even or put on with an impact gun will warp
> the rotor. Chrysler rotors are really bad for that. Some garages are
> still too lazy to use the proper torque wrench and so they screwed your
> rotors for you.
>
> I would take it back to the shop and hope they don't notice you had it
> apart or they will say too bad....
>
> They cannot blame old rotors eh. Then when they try to BS you about
> their 'cool' torque stick on the impact gun, have the bent rotor in your
> hand slapping it like you want to use it up the side of his head eh.
>
> You don't need the gauge to check the runout. Just hold a straight edge
> against the rotor and rotate it, you will see the warp.
>
> Once warped it has to be turned on a lathe to go back straight which
> takes half the life off it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> R Sturk wrote:
>>
>> I have been having a pulsation in the brakes of my 97 Cherokee. This
>> has discs up front and drums in the back. It had a recent brake job and
>> the front rotors are new. When my wife told me about the problem (yeah,
>> to add insult to injury it's her car so I hear about it alot)I drove it
>> to try to find it. I heard a little scraping but instead of being smart
>> and having her stand on the side of the road and pinpoint the sound, I
>> started taking stuff apart. Anyway, I tore the front and back brakes
>> down and put them back together, double checking everything I could
>> think of including making sure the torques were all right. Then I
>> flushed all the old brake fluid, that was looking pretty nasty. Well,
>> the damn sound is gone but the pulsation isn't (although I think it's
>> somewhat better...my wife doesn't). I'm going to borrow a micrometer
>> from a buddy to check the front rotors. What else can anybody recommend
>> that I check? Thanks in advance.

Snow

Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the car
with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure that
it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going to
be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot nosed
teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.

Snow...

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E46845.6359E52E@sympatico.ca...
> Wheel lug nuts not torqued even or put on with an impact gun will warp
> the rotor. Chrysler rotors are really bad for that. Some garages are
> still too lazy to use the proper torque wrench and so they screwed your
> rotors for you.
>
> I would take it back to the shop and hope they don't notice you had it
> apart or they will say too bad....
>
> They cannot blame old rotors eh. Then when they try to BS you about
> their 'cool' torque stick on the impact gun, have the bent rotor in your
> hand slapping it like you want to use it up the side of his head eh.
>
> You don't need the gauge to check the runout. Just hold a straight edge
> against the rotor and rotate it, you will see the warp.
>
> Once warped it has to be turned on a lathe to go back straight which
> takes half the life off it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> R Sturk wrote:
>>
>> I have been having a pulsation in the brakes of my 97 Cherokee. This
>> has discs up front and drums in the back. It had a recent brake job and
>> the front rotors are new. When my wife told me about the problem (yeah,
>> to add insult to injury it's her car so I hear about it alot)I drove it
>> to try to find it. I heard a little scraping but instead of being smart
>> and having her stand on the side of the road and pinpoint the sound, I
>> started taking stuff apart. Anyway, I tore the front and back brakes
>> down and put them back together, double checking everything I could
>> think of including making sure the torques were all right. Then I
>> flushed all the old brake fluid, that was looking pretty nasty. Well,
>> the damn sound is gone but the pulsation isn't (although I think it's
>> somewhat better...my wife doesn't). I'm going to borrow a micrometer
>> from a buddy to check the front rotors. What else can anybody recommend
>> that I check? Thanks in advance.

Dave Milne

Know the feeling. I always carry the torque wrench with me anyway set for
110 lb/ft (beats the hell out of the wheel brace), so I put it in the front
seat well and tell them to use that.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xwaFd.25235$b64.675626@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
> when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the
car
> with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
> buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
> told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure
that
> it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
> rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going
to
> be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot
nosed
> teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
> wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.
>
> Snow...

Dave Milne

Know the feeling. I always carry the torque wrench with me anyway set for
110 lb/ft (beats the hell out of the wheel brace), so I put it in the front
seat well and tell them to use that.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xwaFd.25235$b64.675626@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
> when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the
car
> with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
> buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
> told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure
that
> it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
> rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going
to
> be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot
nosed
> teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
> wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.
>
> Snow...

Dave Milne

Know the feeling. I always carry the torque wrench with me anyway set for
110 lb/ft (beats the hell out of the wheel brace), so I put it in the front
seat well and tell them to use that.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xwaFd.25235$b64.675626@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Yeah those stupid torque bars... I cursed the local Cambodian Tire once
> when they fixed a flat tire for me and then zapped the wheel back on the
car
> with a torque bar, I calmly asked the service manager if he was going to
> buy me a new rim.. answer "no, why would I need to buy you a rim?", when
> told that I specifically requested they use a torque wrench, and ensure
that
> it was clearly written on the work order, then told him that if my rim or
> rotor was warped afterwards he and the $9.00 per hour gorilla were going
to
> be buying me a new rim and two new rotors, he quickly ran to the snot
nosed
> teenager looked at the work order, and told the kid to use a normal torque
> wrench. End result the kid had to find a torque wrench.
>
> Snow...