96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think without
going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
We had to replace the crank sensor a couple days ago on my neighbors '96
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
We had to replace the crank sensor a couple days ago on my neighbors '96
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
We had to replace the crank sensor a couple days ago on my neighbors '96
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
We had to replace the crank sensor a couple days ago on my neighbors '96
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
Cherokee 4 liter
The crank sensor was on the driver's side of the bellhousing in about the 10
or 11 o'clock position. It is held on with two 7/16" bolts that are about
1.25" long. They may be reached fairly easily from underneath using a 1/4"
socket set and a long extension. A wobble or universal is not required but
may help. The wiring goes straight up and joins the wiring harness atop the
intake manifold where the connector is held on by bracket with one nut. I
do not recall the nut size but do recall I used a smaller metric combination
wrench to remove it.
The distributor is on the lower passenger side in the middle of the block
length right out in the open. I did not examine it but they are generally
held on by one bolt. Before removal, if necessary, mark the position of the
distributor and the location the rotor button is pointing so you can return
it to the same location (if it is necessary to remove it)
Be advised there is a gear on the bottom of the distributor and the rotor
will rotate on removal and insertion. Pay attention to the amount of
rotation.
I can post pictures if needed.
"Bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Y6udnd-0_YZMnnHfRVn-vw@rogers.com...
> On my '96, there's a connector that sits over the manifold (I think
> without
> going out and checking) associated with the CrankshaftPS. Maybe WD40 that
> connector. As to the CamshaftPS ... aka stator ... changing that usually
> requires removing the distributor first (dunno about jeeps).
>
>
>> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
>> distributor.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
once the engine is running you can actually unplug the dist. it will
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
once the engine is running you can actually unplug the dist. it will
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
once the engine is running you can actually unplug the dist. it will
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
once the engine is running you can actually unplug the dist. it will
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
stay running
it's only used at start up
i would be looking at the fuel pump when it stalls see if there is any
fuel in the fuel rail undo the cap and push in the schrader valve on
the fuel rail
Mike Romain wrote:
> "rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of any other CPS.
> > The one that was changed was on the bell housing of the trans.
> >
> > A friend mentioned a ingition module in the distributor ?
> > Could that be what you are referring to ?
> >
> > Also
> >
> > I am a newbie at best in regards to auto repair.
> >
> > What type of symptoms occur if there is a bad camshaft sensor?
> > And where is it located ?
>
> Sorry, I was meaning the Camshaft Position Sensor as well as a Crank
> Position Sensor both being a CPS....
>
> The cam sensor causes your symptoms also and is located inside the
> distributor.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: 96 Grand Cherokee - Stalling... Replaced CPS .... Different stalling
The cam sensor also is tied into the coil.
I think I would freeze the coil before buying new parts. I also think
the distributor has to come out to change that sucker.
Ok, I know I talk about the stupid body ground lots because I live in
the rust belt and see tons of rotted ones all the time so here goes.
If the wire mesh strap from the rear of the engine head to the firewall
is dirty or ratty, it can cause strange stalls by forcing the
electronics to steal a ground connection. It sure can't hurt to verify
it's connections are good and the mesh isn't rotted.
Our Cherokee acted 'exactly' like it had a dead CPS. It then up and
died within 10 feet of me replacing it. My trouble was a rotted ground
strap.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
>
> Mike,
> you may have the answer.
> Since I am only getting a error 11 which indicates CAM or CRANK
> sensors.
> I changed the crank, but maybe it's the cam.
>
> Do you know if it's hard to replace ?
>
> RIck
I think I would freeze the coil before buying new parts. I also think
the distributor has to come out to change that sucker.
Ok, I know I talk about the stupid body ground lots because I live in
the rust belt and see tons of rotted ones all the time so here goes.
If the wire mesh strap from the rear of the engine head to the firewall
is dirty or ratty, it can cause strange stalls by forcing the
electronics to steal a ground connection. It sure can't hurt to verify
it's connections are good and the mesh isn't rotted.
Our Cherokee acted 'exactly' like it had a dead CPS. It then up and
died within 10 feet of me replacing it. My trouble was a rotted ground
strap.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"rick.skowyra@ryersontull.com" wrote:
>
> Mike,
> you may have the answer.
> Since I am only getting a error 11 which indicates CAM or CRANK
> sensors.
> I changed the crank, but maybe it's the cam.
>
> Do you know if it's hard to replace ?
>
> RIck