bllsht

In message <4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>, "Jerry Newton" wrote:

>I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
>further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
>take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
>opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
>them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
>Jerry


Agreed. A Bosch spark plug is the most overrated POS on the market. I see a
lot of bad Bosch aftermarket O2 sensors too. Worst part is they don't just quit
working, but spew false feedback instead.


>
>
>
>"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>> A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
>> preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
>> blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
>change,
>> backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
>if
>> you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
>good,
>> why replace them?
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
>> > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
>> > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
>> > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
>> > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
>> > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
>> > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
>> > status.
>>
>>
>

bllsht

In message <4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>, "Jerry Newton" wrote:

>I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
>further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
>take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
>opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
>them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
>Jerry


Agreed. A Bosch spark plug is the most overrated POS on the market. I see a
lot of bad Bosch aftermarket O2 sensors too. Worst part is they don't just quit
working, but spew false feedback instead.


>
>
>
>"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>> A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
>> preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
>> blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
>change,
>> backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
>if
>> you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
>good,
>> why replace them?
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
>> > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
>> > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
>> > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
>> > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
>> > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
>> > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
>> > status.
>>
>>
>

bllsht

In message <4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>, "Jerry Newton" wrote:

>I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
>further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
>take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
>opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
>them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
>Jerry


Agreed. A Bosch spark plug is the most overrated POS on the market. I see a
lot of bad Bosch aftermarket O2 sensors too. Worst part is they don't just quit
working, but spew false feedback instead.


>
>
>
>"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>> A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
>> preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
>> blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
>change,
>> backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
>if
>> you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
>good,
>> why replace them?
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
>> > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
>> > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
>> > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
>> > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
>> > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
>> > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
>> > status.
>>
>>
>

Mike

Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.

I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
we we already there."

BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
the water pump.


"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
> further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
> take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
> them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
> > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> change,
> > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
> if
> > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> good,
> > why replace them?
> >
> >
> > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
> > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > status.
> >
> >

Mike

Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.

I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
we we already there."

BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
the water pump.


"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
> further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
> take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
> them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
> > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> change,
> > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
> if
> > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> good,
> > why replace them?
> >
> >
> > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
> > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > status.
> >
> >

Mike

Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.

I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
we we already there."

BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
the water pump.


"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a step
> further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They will
> take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I toss
> them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn wiper
> > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> change,
> > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other words,
> if
> > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> good,
> > why replace them?
> >
> >
> > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
> > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > status.
> >
> >

bowgus

Hiya Mike ... I would not put much thought/effort into the idling a bit
rough until warmed up ... could be a lotta reasons (like maybe a sensor ...
there are a few of them to get to know), I don't believe plugs is one of
them. I'd just wait it out and do some reading up on the jeep ... get to
know what makes it tick (suggest the Haynes Manual, not expensive, not
comparable to a shop manual but covers the basics for understanding). My
jeep idled what seemed rough to me when I first got it ... geez ... there
are some loose bits in CAT that rattle pretty loud ... passed the clean air
check though ... I'll fix it up when the weather warms up. And from your
most current post I understand much better where you're coming from ...
you're being helpful for the GF.

If it helps, the fuel filter on my '96 is at the rear, close to the fuel
pump.

"Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80f33246.0402061300.5e5ad563@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
> harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
> rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
> other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
> thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
> had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
> just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
> things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.
>
> I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
> replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
> dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
> bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
> we we already there."
>
> BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
> until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
> the water pump.
>
>
> "Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> > I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a
step
> > further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They
will
> > take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> > opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I
toss
> > them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn
wiper
> > > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> > change,
> > > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other
words,
> > if
> > > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> > good,
> > > why replace them?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan
on
> > > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > > status.
> > >
> > >

bowgus

Hiya Mike ... I would not put much thought/effort into the idling a bit
rough until warmed up ... could be a lotta reasons (like maybe a sensor ...
there are a few of them to get to know), I don't believe plugs is one of
them. I'd just wait it out and do some reading up on the jeep ... get to
know what makes it tick (suggest the Haynes Manual, not expensive, not
comparable to a shop manual but covers the basics for understanding). My
jeep idled what seemed rough to me when I first got it ... geez ... there
are some loose bits in CAT that rattle pretty loud ... passed the clean air
check though ... I'll fix it up when the weather warms up. And from your
most current post I understand much better where you're coming from ...
you're being helpful for the GF.

If it helps, the fuel filter on my '96 is at the rear, close to the fuel
pump.

"Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80f33246.0402061300.5e5ad563@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
> harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
> rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
> other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
> thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
> had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
> just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
> things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.
>
> I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
> replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
> dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
> bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
> we we already there."
>
> BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
> until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
> the water pump.
>
>
> "Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> > I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a
step
> > further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They
will
> > take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> > opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I
toss
> > them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn
wiper
> > > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> > change,
> > > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other
words,
> > if
> > > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> > good,
> > > why replace them?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan
on
> > > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > > status.
> > >
> > >

bowgus

Hiya Mike ... I would not put much thought/effort into the idling a bit
rough until warmed up ... could be a lotta reasons (like maybe a sensor ...
there are a few of them to get to know), I don't believe plugs is one of
them. I'd just wait it out and do some reading up on the jeep ... get to
know what makes it tick (suggest the Haynes Manual, not expensive, not
comparable to a shop manual but covers the basics for understanding). My
jeep idled what seemed rough to me when I first got it ... geez ... there
are some loose bits in CAT that rattle pretty loud ... passed the clean air
check though ... I'll fix it up when the weather warms up. And from your
most current post I understand much better where you're coming from ...
you're being helpful for the GF.

If it helps, the fuel filter on my '96 is at the rear, close to the fuel
pump.

"Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80f33246.0402061300.5e5ad563@posting.google.c om...
> Thanks so much for the input, guys. I should add that it is somewhat
> harder to start than a few months ago and it is idleing a tiny bit
> rough until warmed up. I'm hoping it's just plugs or whatnot. The
> other stuff will be replaced if it looks like it needs it. My GF
> thinks it has had a tune up in the last 3 years (the time that she has
> had it), but it isn't clear what was done and when it was done. I'm
> just trying to do my boyfriendly duty and take care of some simple
> things so the local garage doesn't get her hard earned $$$.
>
> I also subscribe to the don't fix until broken theory. When I
> replaced the water pump, the heater manifold and several hoses bit the
> dust just by moving them around a bit. Not to mention the snapped
> bolt on the block when we decided to replace the thermostat "because
> we we already there."
>
> BTW, where is the fuel filter? I won't be able to look at the truck
> until late this weekend and I don't recall seeing it when I replaced
> the water pump.
>
>
> "Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:<4022e483$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>...
> > I second Bowgus' opinion.... if it works, don't fix it. I will go a
step
> > further, and advise you to stay away from Bosch platinum plugs. They
will
> > take a perfect-running engine and make it run like crap. Not just my
> > opinion, it has been proven over and over again in my service bay, as I
toss
> > them into the trash and replace them with 79 cent Champions.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qBUb.15$o6t1.4@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com...
> > > A trick I use ... if it ain't broke, why fix it (does not apply to
> > > preventive maintenance items ... fluids, filters, worn tires, worn
wiper
> > > blades, worn rotors, worn brake pads, ashtray overflowing with loose
> > change,
> > > backseat overflowing with ... well ... overflowing ... ). In other
words,
> > if
> > > you check the plugs, high tension wires, distributor cap and they are
> > good,
> > > why replace them?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike" <concoursal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google.c om...
> > > > The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> > > > Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan
on
> > > > going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> > > > 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> > > > tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> > > > water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> > > > status.
> > >
> > >

J A Peters

concoursal@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote in message news:<80f33246.0402051331.4475fd09@posting.google. com>...
> The subject says it all. I plan on tuning-up my girlfriend's 94
> Cherokee. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, and distributor cap. I plan on
> going with regular run of the mill name brand parts. The odo is at
> 240K. Is there anything I should know? I'd appreciate any little
> tricks or suggestions anyone has to share. Other than replacing a
> water pump, I've never worked on a Jeep before, thus the semi-newbie
> status.

If the air filter has oil in the area where the crankcase vent
connects the vent gromment needs to be replaced. Blow back is fairly
common the 4.0L engines

My $.02,
Jim