'93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
01-12-2005, 07:56 PM
#21
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
The shop I took it to today checked it out pretty well.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:40:45 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Did he forget the rest of carter-keys in the other tie rod ends,
>too?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>---- wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Doug. I took my Jeep in for alignment today, and just wanted
>> to be armed with the numbers. It was not a Jeep dealer.
>>
>> I was having a problem with "loose" steering. That's why I took it in
>> in the first place. He took one look under the Jeep and said I was
>> about one mile from disaster. He had me look with him and he turned
>> the nut on one tie-bar end about a half-turn with his fingers and the
>> tie-bar fell off! The guy who put on the new tie-bar ends in 2002
>> apparently did not install a cotter pin. It took 2-1/2 years for the
>> nut to work itself loose. When I think about the times I was flying
>> down the freeway at 80mph and the tie-bar could have fallen off. I
>> was very, very lucky.
>>
>> ----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:40:45 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Did he forget the rest of carter-keys in the other tie rod ends,
>too?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>---- wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Doug. I took my Jeep in for alignment today, and just wanted
>> to be armed with the numbers. It was not a Jeep dealer.
>>
>> I was having a problem with "loose" steering. That's why I took it in
>> in the first place. He took one look under the Jeep and said I was
>> about one mile from disaster. He had me look with him and he turned
>> the nut on one tie-bar end about a half-turn with his fingers and the
>> tie-bar fell off! The guy who put on the new tie-bar ends in 2002
>> apparently did not install a cotter pin. It took 2-1/2 years for the
>> nut to work itself loose. When I think about the times I was flying
>> down the freeway at 80mph and the tie-bar could have fallen off. I
>> was very, very lucky.
>>
>> ----
01-12-2005, 07:56 PM
#22
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
The shop I took it to today checked it out pretty well.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:40:45 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Did he forget the rest of carter-keys in the other tie rod ends,
>too?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>---- wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Doug. I took my Jeep in for alignment today, and just wanted
>> to be armed with the numbers. It was not a Jeep dealer.
>>
>> I was having a problem with "loose" steering. That's why I took it in
>> in the first place. He took one look under the Jeep and said I was
>> about one mile from disaster. He had me look with him and he turned
>> the nut on one tie-bar end about a half-turn with his fingers and the
>> tie-bar fell off! The guy who put on the new tie-bar ends in 2002
>> apparently did not install a cotter pin. It took 2-1/2 years for the
>> nut to work itself loose. When I think about the times I was flying
>> down the freeway at 80mph and the tie-bar could have fallen off. I
>> was very, very lucky.
>>
>> ----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:40:45 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Did he forget the rest of carter-keys in the other tie rod ends,
>too?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>---- wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Doug. I took my Jeep in for alignment today, and just wanted
>> to be armed with the numbers. It was not a Jeep dealer.
>>
>> I was having a problem with "loose" steering. That's why I took it in
>> in the first place. He took one look under the Jeep and said I was
>> about one mile from disaster. He had me look with him and he turned
>> the nut on one tie-bar end about a half-turn with his fingers and the
>> tie-bar fell off! The guy who put on the new tie-bar ends in 2002
>> apparently did not install a cotter pin. It took 2-1/2 years for the
>> nut to work itself loose. When I think about the times I was flying
>> down the freeway at 80mph and the tie-bar could have fallen off. I
>> was very, very lucky.
>>
>> ----
01-12-2005, 07:57 PM
#23
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
01-12-2005, 07:57 PM
#24
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
01-12-2005, 07:57 PM
#25
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
another life.
----
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of people
>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>fee ...
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>
01-12-2005, 10:45 PM
#26
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
straight up 0 degrees on toe and camber
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
01-12-2005, 10:45 PM
#27
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
straight up 0 degrees on toe and camber
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
01-12-2005, 10:45 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
straight up 0 degrees on toe and camber
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
---- wrote:
> There was a TSB issued in September 1993 to revise the toe-in
> specification for the '93 ZJ as shown in the factory service manual.
> Unfortunately, the TSB only says to insert the new page in the manual,
> but doesn't say what it was changed to. The manual shows the toe-in
> on each side to be 0.12 to 0.22 degrees. Anyone know what the "new"
> specification is?
01-13-2005, 01:14 AM
#29
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Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
Has anyone ever seen a re used cotterpin fail and cause a problem? That
being said I have a little drawer full of new ones.
KH
"----" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
news:tphbu0t1k98r9k0aipbvtjfdhr0q9k72ov@4ax.com...
> Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
> another life.
>
> ----
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of
>>people
>>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>>fee ...
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>>
>
being said I have a little drawer full of new ones.
KH
"----" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
news:tphbu0t1k98r9k0aipbvtjfdhr0q9k72ov@4ax.com...
> Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
> another life.
>
> ----
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of
>>people
>>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>>fee ...
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>>
>
01-13-2005, 01:14 AM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: '93 ZJ Toe-In Specification
Has anyone ever seen a re used cotterpin fail and cause a problem? That
being said I have a little drawer full of new ones.
KH
"----" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
news:tphbu0t1k98r9k0aipbvtjfdhr0q9k72ov@4ax.com...
> Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
> another life.
>
> ----
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of
>>people
>>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>>fee ...
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>>
>
being said I have a little drawer full of new ones.
KH
"----" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
news:tphbu0t1k98r9k0aipbvtjfdhr0q9k72ov@4ax.com...
> Agreed. Used safety wire a lot in aerospace manufacturing back in
> another life.
>
> ----
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:40:31 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>>true - haven't seen safety wire in a long time. I have a pet hate of
>>people
>>reusing split-pins / cotter pins ; they are so cheap they are practically
>>fee ...
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>news:4siFd.1597$sF5.802@okepread06...
>>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>>> > Ouch, doesn't bear thinking about.
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> I'm a great fan of safety wire. Alas most fittings don't use
>>> it anymore since it's such a royal pain to use. Especially with
>>> having to get the right hardware (bolts with wire holes).
>>
>