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Casper 02-15-2006 08:59 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> You have ten years, a hundred thousand miles, you need a new fuel pump.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
pump.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-15-2006 09:09 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Have you changed it's filter? We change regularly every twenty five
thousand miles on Fords, GMs, and Even the YJ Jeep designed by American
Motors Corp. Guess why?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
> this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
> pump.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-15-2006 09:09 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Have you changed it's filter? We change regularly every twenty five
thousand miles on Fords, GMs, and Even the YJ Jeep designed by American
Motors Corp. Guess why?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
> this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
> pump.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-15-2006 09:09 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Have you changed it's filter? We change regularly every twenty five
thousand miles on Fords, GMs, and Even the YJ Jeep designed by American
Motors Corp. Guess why?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
> this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
> pump.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-15-2006 09:09 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Have you changed it's filter? We change regularly every twenty five
thousand miles on Fords, GMs, and Even the YJ Jeep designed by American
Motors Corp. Guess why?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
> this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
> pump.


DougW 02-15-2006 09:27 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Casper did pass the time by typing:
> My 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee recently started having starting issues. At
> first it would start after 2-3 tries, but now it continually takes
> longer and longer to get it to turn over. First I thought it was the
> battery (weak or being drained), but after a full recharge and
> replacment, the problem persists. Cables appear fine. Jump-starting
> will help if the battery is weak, but it still takes multiple tries to
> get it to turn over. This morning, it took 20 minutes and at least 25
> tries to get it to go from cranking to actually starting. Sometimes
> during cranking the security light flashes on the dash. Sometimes you
> hear what sounds like a solenoid(?) clicking when you turn the
> ignition. Often if you keep turning the ignition on and off until you
> hear the fuel pump priming(?), then on the next crank attempt, it
> starts, but not consistantly. I'm suspicious of a short somewhere. Fuel
> solenoid? Security system? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?


ignition coil is possible, how old is it/the wires/the plugs.

Start by pulling the codes
http://revbeergoggles.com/engine_codes.html

It could also be the CPS (Crankshaft Position Sensor). That will cause
a no-start. By the dipstick (I6) will be a plug that runs around
back. Unplug and replug the plug. Then try starting again.

No fuel pressure or a clogged filter can cause your problem. So can
crapoline. How long has it been since you replaced the filter?

The overall doodad location page:
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 02-15-2006 09:27 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Casper did pass the time by typing:
> My 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee recently started having starting issues. At
> first it would start after 2-3 tries, but now it continually takes
> longer and longer to get it to turn over. First I thought it was the
> battery (weak or being drained), but after a full recharge and
> replacment, the problem persists. Cables appear fine. Jump-starting
> will help if the battery is weak, but it still takes multiple tries to
> get it to turn over. This morning, it took 20 minutes and at least 25
> tries to get it to go from cranking to actually starting. Sometimes
> during cranking the security light flashes on the dash. Sometimes you
> hear what sounds like a solenoid(?) clicking when you turn the
> ignition. Often if you keep turning the ignition on and off until you
> hear the fuel pump priming(?), then on the next crank attempt, it
> starts, but not consistantly. I'm suspicious of a short somewhere. Fuel
> solenoid? Security system? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?


ignition coil is possible, how old is it/the wires/the plugs.

Start by pulling the codes
http://revbeergoggles.com/engine_codes.html

It could also be the CPS (Crankshaft Position Sensor). That will cause
a no-start. By the dipstick (I6) will be a plug that runs around
back. Unplug and replug the plug. Then try starting again.

No fuel pressure or a clogged filter can cause your problem. So can
crapoline. How long has it been since you replaced the filter?

The overall doodad location page:
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 02-15-2006 09:27 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Casper did pass the time by typing:
> My 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee recently started having starting issues. At
> first it would start after 2-3 tries, but now it continually takes
> longer and longer to get it to turn over. First I thought it was the
> battery (weak or being drained), but after a full recharge and
> replacment, the problem persists. Cables appear fine. Jump-starting
> will help if the battery is weak, but it still takes multiple tries to
> get it to turn over. This morning, it took 20 minutes and at least 25
> tries to get it to go from cranking to actually starting. Sometimes
> during cranking the security light flashes on the dash. Sometimes you
> hear what sounds like a solenoid(?) clicking when you turn the
> ignition. Often if you keep turning the ignition on and off until you
> hear the fuel pump priming(?), then on the next crank attempt, it
> starts, but not consistantly. I'm suspicious of a short somewhere. Fuel
> solenoid? Security system? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?


ignition coil is possible, how old is it/the wires/the plugs.

Start by pulling the codes
http://revbeergoggles.com/engine_codes.html

It could also be the CPS (Crankshaft Position Sensor). That will cause
a no-start. By the dipstick (I6) will be a plug that runs around
back. Unplug and replug the plug. Then try starting again.

No fuel pressure or a clogged filter can cause your problem. So can
crapoline. How long has it been since you replaced the filter?

The overall doodad location page:
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 02-15-2006 09:27 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Casper did pass the time by typing:
> My 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee recently started having starting issues. At
> first it would start after 2-3 tries, but now it continually takes
> longer and longer to get it to turn over. First I thought it was the
> battery (weak or being drained), but after a full recharge and
> replacment, the problem persists. Cables appear fine. Jump-starting
> will help if the battery is weak, but it still takes multiple tries to
> get it to turn over. This morning, it took 20 minutes and at least 25
> tries to get it to go from cranking to actually starting. Sometimes
> during cranking the security light flashes on the dash. Sometimes you
> hear what sounds like a solenoid(?) clicking when you turn the
> ignition. Often if you keep turning the ignition on and off until you
> hear the fuel pump priming(?), then on the next crank attempt, it
> starts, but not consistantly. I'm suspicious of a short somewhere. Fuel
> solenoid? Security system? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?


ignition coil is possible, how old is it/the wires/the plugs.

Start by pulling the codes
http://revbeergoggles.com/engine_codes.html

It could also be the CPS (Crankshaft Position Sensor). That will cause
a no-start. By the dipstick (I6) will be a plug that runs around
back. Unplug and replug the plug. Then try starting again.

No fuel pressure or a clogged filter can cause your problem. So can
crapoline. How long has it been since you replaced the filter?

The overall doodad location page:
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diagnostics.html


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



Scott in Baltimore 02-15-2006 11:36 PM

Re: 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Cranks, But No Start
 
Casper wrote:
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
>
>>You have ten years, a hundred thousand miles, you need a new fuel pump.
>>God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

>
>
> As for fuel pump, why? Just based on mileage/years? I don't believe
> this is the issue, so I'd like to hear your reasoning on why the fuel
> pump.
>


Mine died at 9 years, 72,000 miles. It got very intermittant.

Have a CB? You should hear the pump for a second or two when you
turn the key. No pump noise, no start. The pump is $100 at PepBoys.

If you get it started, run as much fuel as possible out of it before
you attempt to drop the tank.

The last time I got it to start with the old pump, I had to click
the key 50 times. When I heard the pump in the CB (with the ANL off),
I hit the starter and got to my brother's house with his garage.


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