Earle Horton

In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of. If
you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have it,
the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.

Earle

"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
has
> > a
> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
> > the
> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>
>

abomb69

I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
pavement either, it does make noise when turning)


"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
> If
> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
> it,
> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>
> Earle
>
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
> has
>> > a
>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>> > the
>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>
>>
>
>

abomb69

I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
pavement either, it does make noise when turning)


"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
> If
> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
> it,
> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>
> Earle
>
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
> has
>> > a
>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>> > the
>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>
>>
>
>

abomb69

I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
pavement either, it does make noise when turning)


"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
> If
> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
> it,
> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>
> Earle
>
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
> has
>> > a
>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>> > the
>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The SelecTrac (nv242) case has the options of 2WD, Part Time 4WD, Full Time
4WD, Neutral, and 4Lo.

The center differential is locked in PT 4WD and 4Lo as I recall.

The Full Time 4WD allows normal differential operation on dry pavement.


"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:YWZBh.29247$yC5.25656@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
>with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
>have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
>pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones
>> will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>> > a
>>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get
>>> > all
>>> > the
>>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The SelecTrac (nv242) case has the options of 2WD, Part Time 4WD, Full Time
4WD, Neutral, and 4Lo.

The center differential is locked in PT 4WD and 4Lo as I recall.

The Full Time 4WD allows normal differential operation on dry pavement.


"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:YWZBh.29247$yC5.25656@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
>with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
>have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
>pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones
>> will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>> > a
>>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get
>>> > all
>>> > the
>>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The SelecTrac (nv242) case has the options of 2WD, Part Time 4WD, Full Time
4WD, Neutral, and 4Lo.

The center differential is locked in PT 4WD and 4Lo as I recall.

The Full Time 4WD allows normal differential operation on dry pavement.


"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:YWZBh.29247$yC5.25656@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
>with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
>have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
>pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones
>> will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> > That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>> > a
>>> > differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get
>>> > all
>>> > the
>>> > wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>> > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Mike Romain

I am sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but you do not really seem
to comprehend how 4x4 works....

Your 'friend' has a 'full time' 4x4 which does come in some Jeeps and
can be used on paved roads without exploding parts. It has a center
differential as well as differentials on each axle.

The problem with this is if you are stuck on ice, you can end up with
only one wheel turning....

The 'part time' 4x4 system is designed to be used only 'part time' on
dirt or snow covered roads. This locks the front and rear differential
together so in order to turn a corner one wheel has to scuff the ground
or something 'will' break or the t-case can explode like my old roommate
did to his Cherokee driving on paved roads in 4x4.

The front wheels have to take a longer track around a corner than the
rear wheels in any vehicle. This means if you have it in 'part time'
with the center locked, one wheel 'has' to scuff the ground.

If you add lockers to the front and rear, then two wheels have to scuff
the ground when you turn. This makes taking corners 'very' tricky and
will turn say a 3 point trail turn around into a 10 point or more.

The new Jeep with the front and rear lockers have switches to turn them
off so you can do other than drive in a straight line.

Putting a full time locker in the front makes for a trail rig only and
not a very good one at that unless you can unlock the front hubs. Then
you can simply get out and unlock the hubs when you want to turn a
corner or turn around on a trail.

Now I am really going to mess up your brain here....

With a normal Jeep and part time 4x4 and open differentials like I have,
you can end up with one front and one rear tire turning if stuck on ice,
however due to the nature of the differential, you can hit the brake
pedal to load up the spinning wheels and Bingo, have all 4 spinning and
away you go.

This takes a bit of practice. My Jeep owners manuals say to use the
emergency brake to load up the spinning wheel, but I have better luck
with hitting the pedal to load it.

This old trick works because both wheel see 'equal' power in the rear or
front axles. If one is spinning on ice, it needs almost no power to do
this so the same almost no power gets to the other wheel and it stays put.

If you use the brake to slow the spinning wheel, the power needed to
fight against the brake will get large enough to equal the power needed
for the stopped wheel to break free from the ground. Bingo, you have 2
rear rooster tails and sometimes front ones too and away you go.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

abomb69 wrote:
> I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
> with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
> have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
> pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>>> a
>>>> differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>>>> the
>>>> wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>
>
>

Mike Romain

I am sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but you do not really seem
to comprehend how 4x4 works....

Your 'friend' has a 'full time' 4x4 which does come in some Jeeps and
can be used on paved roads without exploding parts. It has a center
differential as well as differentials on each axle.

The problem with this is if you are stuck on ice, you can end up with
only one wheel turning....

The 'part time' 4x4 system is designed to be used only 'part time' on
dirt or snow covered roads. This locks the front and rear differential
together so in order to turn a corner one wheel has to scuff the ground
or something 'will' break or the t-case can explode like my old roommate
did to his Cherokee driving on paved roads in 4x4.

The front wheels have to take a longer track around a corner than the
rear wheels in any vehicle. This means if you have it in 'part time'
with the center locked, one wheel 'has' to scuff the ground.

If you add lockers to the front and rear, then two wheels have to scuff
the ground when you turn. This makes taking corners 'very' tricky and
will turn say a 3 point trail turn around into a 10 point or more.

The new Jeep with the front and rear lockers have switches to turn them
off so you can do other than drive in a straight line.

Putting a full time locker in the front makes for a trail rig only and
not a very good one at that unless you can unlock the front hubs. Then
you can simply get out and unlock the hubs when you want to turn a
corner or turn around on a trail.

Now I am really going to mess up your brain here....

With a normal Jeep and part time 4x4 and open differentials like I have,
you can end up with one front and one rear tire turning if stuck on ice,
however due to the nature of the differential, you can hit the brake
pedal to load up the spinning wheels and Bingo, have all 4 spinning and
away you go.

This takes a bit of practice. My Jeep owners manuals say to use the
emergency brake to load up the spinning wheel, but I have better luck
with hitting the pedal to load it.

This old trick works because both wheel see 'equal' power in the rear or
front axles. If one is spinning on ice, it needs almost no power to do
this so the same almost no power gets to the other wheel and it stays put.

If you use the brake to slow the spinning wheel, the power needed to
fight against the brake will get large enough to equal the power needed
for the stopped wheel to break free from the ground. Bingo, you have 2
rear rooster tails and sometimes front ones too and away you go.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

abomb69 wrote:
> I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
> with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
> have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
> pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>>> a
>>>> differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>>>> the
>>>> wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>
>
>

Mike Romain

I am sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but you do not really seem
to comprehend how 4x4 works....

Your 'friend' has a 'full time' 4x4 which does come in some Jeeps and
can be used on paved roads without exploding parts. It has a center
differential as well as differentials on each axle.

The problem with this is if you are stuck on ice, you can end up with
only one wheel turning....

The 'part time' 4x4 system is designed to be used only 'part time' on
dirt or snow covered roads. This locks the front and rear differential
together so in order to turn a corner one wheel has to scuff the ground
or something 'will' break or the t-case can explode like my old roommate
did to his Cherokee driving on paved roads in 4x4.

The front wheels have to take a longer track around a corner than the
rear wheels in any vehicle. This means if you have it in 'part time'
with the center locked, one wheel 'has' to scuff the ground.

If you add lockers to the front and rear, then two wheels have to scuff
the ground when you turn. This makes taking corners 'very' tricky and
will turn say a 3 point trail turn around into a 10 point or more.

The new Jeep with the front and rear lockers have switches to turn them
off so you can do other than drive in a straight line.

Putting a full time locker in the front makes for a trail rig only and
not a very good one at that unless you can unlock the front hubs. Then
you can simply get out and unlock the hubs when you want to turn a
corner or turn around on a trail.

Now I am really going to mess up your brain here....

With a normal Jeep and part time 4x4 and open differentials like I have,
you can end up with one front and one rear tire turning if stuck on ice,
however due to the nature of the differential, you can hit the brake
pedal to load up the spinning wheels and Bingo, have all 4 spinning and
away you go.

This takes a bit of practice. My Jeep owners manuals say to use the
emergency brake to load up the spinning wheel, but I have better luck
with hitting the pedal to load it.

This old trick works because both wheel see 'equal' power in the rear or
front axles. If one is spinning on ice, it needs almost no power to do
this so the same almost no power gets to the other wheel and it stays put.

If you use the brake to slow the spinning wheel, the power needed to
fight against the brake will get large enough to equal the power needed
for the stopped wheel to break free from the ground. Bingo, you have 2
rear rooster tails and sometimes front ones too and away you go.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

abomb69 wrote:
> I know that you can go more than straight a friend of mine has a 77 chevy
> with the 203 transfer case, the one that DOESNT shift out of 4hi and you
> have total traction to all 4 wheels (yes this isnt good in the summer on
> pavement either, it does make noise when turning)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:45d7cbb4$0$2161$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> In 4lo or 4hi the front and rear axles are locked together. If you have
>> lockers front and back then all four wheels will be locked in, sort of.
>> If
>> you try to turn the outside wheels will free wheel or the inside ones will
>> skid. If you have one of those full time rigs, then in 4lo, if you have
>> it,
>> the same applies. If all four wheels were actually locked together, then
>> the only direction you would be able to go, is straight ahead.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KePBh.6309$MN.5170@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> So you are saying that in 4Lo, all four wheels are locked in?
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45d7aaf5$0$16311$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> That's both driveshaft turn in part time 4X4 unlike your transfer that
>> has
>>>> a
>>>> differential in it that may be locked in low range. The ways we get all
>>>> the
>>>> wheels to turn: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>
>>
>
>