90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
05-20-2005, 09:48 AM
#81
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
fix.
His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
way.
I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Dana,
> So you know the problem is in the switch, your choices are buy a
> new one, or clean the contacts on the one you have, and Mike has already
> provided that helpful site at:
> http://www.dirtdevils.org/briantechtippage.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> > The problem with my switch is that the backup lights don't come on when it
> > is in reverse, which is how the DMV checks it. The neutral safety portion
> > works as designed. Bypassing it or adding a manual switch may circumvent the
> > backup light issue, but if it doesn't satisfy the DMV, your SOL.
> >
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
fix.
His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
way.
I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Dana,
> So you know the problem is in the switch, your choices are buy a
> new one, or clean the contacts on the one you have, and Mike has already
> provided that helpful site at:
> http://www.dirtdevils.org/briantechtippage.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >
> > The problem with my switch is that the backup lights don't come on when it
> > is in reverse, which is how the DMV checks it. The neutral safety portion
> > works as designed. Bypassing it or adding a manual switch may circumvent the
> > backup light issue, but if it doesn't satisfy the DMV, your SOL.
> >
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
05-20-2005, 10:30 AM
#82
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:30 AM
#83
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:30 AM
#84
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:30 AM
#85
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
position, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
>
> I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> fix.
>
> His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> way.
>
> I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:41 AM
#86
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
That could very well be, but he just needs to pass cert for now.
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:41 AM
#87
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
That could very well be, but he just needs to pass cert for now.
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:41 AM
#88
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
That could very well be, but he just needs to pass cert for now.
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
05-20-2005, 10:41 AM
#89
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
That could very well be, but he just needs to pass cert for now.
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I would do the 5 minute fix and then see what next year brings....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Well Mike, I see it as the typical grease harden covering most of that
> contact, like a little later on Dana will lose the park or neutral
> position, too.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Nope Bill, I don't see it that way at all.
> >
> > I believe his 1990 shift linkage bushings are slightly worn so a very
> > slight adjustment on the switch is all he needs. Literally a 5 minute
> > fix.
> >
> > His switch works fine, he just has to hold it slightly out of the
> > reverse détente up top for the tranny end to flick the switch all the
> > way.
> >
> > I also think the bushing on the shift linkage at the bottom of the
> > steering column is the one sloppy. Just a wild assed guess. ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-19-2005, 07:38 PM
#90
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Re: 90 XJ Backup light switch - Adjust or replace?
All,
Thanks for the advice on the NSS/Backup light issue. I finally got the car
back, uninspected, aafter I told the Jeep dealer to stop what they were
doing and go no further. The NSS that they were going to charge me nearly
$500 p/l for, I fixed myself in 30 seconds. Crawled under with a 12mm
wrench, loosened the adjusting nut, pivoted the unit about 3 degrees,
tightened the bolt, and Voila! Works perfectly. Not only am I taking it back
tomorrow for inspection, I am going to demand a refund on the diagnostic
fees for this "repair". Then I am going to file a complaint with D/C.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Blohe.16213$rt1.1679@fe04.lga...
> My 90 XJ backup lights only work if I push the shift lever (automatic)
> slightly toward "Park". I suggested to the dealer that it may need an
> adjustment - they countered with nearly $500 P/L to replace it. Sounds
> like a scam to me. Does anyone have any experience with this condition,
> and if so, was it just an adjustment or complete replacement? Can the
> switch or shift mechanism simply be adjusted, or am I on drugs? I believe
> this Jeep service dept's techs work on commission....
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
> 93 YJ
> 90 XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee
> 76 Cherokee
>
>
>
Thanks for the advice on the NSS/Backup light issue. I finally got the car
back, uninspected, aafter I told the Jeep dealer to stop what they were
doing and go no further. The NSS that they were going to charge me nearly
$500 p/l for, I fixed myself in 30 seconds. Crawled under with a 12mm
wrench, loosened the adjusting nut, pivoted the unit about 3 degrees,
tightened the bolt, and Voila! Works perfectly. Not only am I taking it back
tomorrow for inspection, I am going to demand a refund on the diagnostic
fees for this "repair". Then I am going to file a complaint with D/C.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Blohe.16213$rt1.1679@fe04.lga...
> My 90 XJ backup lights only work if I push the shift lever (automatic)
> slightly toward "Park". I suggested to the dealer that it may need an
> adjustment - they countered with nearly $500 P/L to replace it. Sounds
> like a scam to me. Does anyone have any experience with this condition,
> and if so, was it just an adjustment or complete replacement? Can the
> switch or shift mechanism simply be adjusted, or am I on drugs? I believe
> this Jeep service dept's techs work on commission....
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
> 93 YJ
> 90 XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee
> 76 Cherokee
>
>
>