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billy ray 09-25-2006 08:13 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system, trapped
air can make the temperature sensor act odd.

Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?

What coolant did you use?


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle,
> $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in
> business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again
> today.
>
> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>
> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
>> Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>> that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>
>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
>> is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>
>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>
>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>
>> Clint
>>

>
>




Mike Romain 09-25-2006 08:55 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Thanks for the update. Your temperature sounds normal to me. The
t-stat open and you have full inside heat, then the engine warms up to
running temperature which is higher than the t-stat opening temp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Clint wrote:
>
> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one that
> had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle, $12 for
> the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in business. Ran
> around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again today.
>
> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>
> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >


Mike Romain 09-25-2006 08:55 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Thanks for the update. Your temperature sounds normal to me. The
t-stat open and you have full inside heat, then the engine warms up to
running temperature which is higher than the t-stat opening temp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Clint wrote:
>
> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one that
> had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle, $12 for
> the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in business. Ran
> around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again today.
>
> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>
> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >


Mike Romain 09-25-2006 08:55 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Thanks for the update. Your temperature sounds normal to me. The
t-stat open and you have full inside heat, then the engine warms up to
running temperature which is higher than the t-stat opening temp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Clint wrote:
>
> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one that
> had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle, $12 for
> the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in business. Ran
> around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again today.
>
> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>
> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >


Clint 09-28-2006 09:42 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
particular issue with that?

As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to make
sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of anti-freeze. Now
I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was going to check that
before winter anyway.

The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days. They're
a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't know that
the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.

Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>
> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>
> What coolant did you use?
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle,
>> $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in
>> business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again
>> today.
>>
>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
>> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>
>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
>> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>
>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
>>> is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




Clint 09-28-2006 09:42 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
particular issue with that?

As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to make
sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of anti-freeze. Now
I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was going to check that
before winter anyway.

The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days. They're
a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't know that
the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.

Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>
> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>
> What coolant did you use?
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle,
>> $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in
>> business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again
>> today.
>>
>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
>> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>
>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
>> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>
>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
>>> is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




Clint 09-28-2006 09:42 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
particular issue with that?

As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to make
sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of anti-freeze. Now
I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was going to check that
before winter anyway.

The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days. They're
a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't know that
the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.

Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>
> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>
> What coolant did you use?
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the bottle,
>> $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back in
>> business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work again
>> today.
>>
>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over 1/2.
>> Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>
>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the thread
>> know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>
>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
>>> is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-28-2006 09:59 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Coolant and electrical senders sometimes do not react well together.


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:cS_Sg.69636$R63.9222@pd7urf1no...
>I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
>particular issue with that?
>
> As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to
> make sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of
> anti-freeze. Now I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was
> going to check that before winter anyway.
>
> The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days.
> They're a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't
> know that the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.
>
> Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
>> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
>> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>>
>> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>>
>> What coolant did you use?
>>
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the
>>> bottle, $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back
>>> in business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work
>>> again today.
>>>
>>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over
>>> 1/2. Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>>
>>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the
>>> thread know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing
>>>> like that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> Jeep is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-28-2006 09:59 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Coolant and electrical senders sometimes do not react well together.


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:cS_Sg.69636$R63.9222@pd7urf1no...
>I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
>particular issue with that?
>
> As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to
> make sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of
> anti-freeze. Now I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was
> going to check that before winter anyway.
>
> The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days.
> They're a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't
> know that the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.
>
> Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
>> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
>> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>>
>> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>>
>> What coolant did you use?
>>
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the
>>> bottle, $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back
>>> in business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work
>>> again today.
>>>
>>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over
>>> 1/2. Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>>
>>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the
>>> thread know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing
>>>> like that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> Jeep is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-28-2006 09:59 PM

Re: 88 Jeep Comanche cooling issues
 
Coolant and electrical senders sometimes do not react well together.


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:cS_Sg.69636$R63.9222@pd7urf1no...
>I did not rinse the old anti-freeze off the engine compartment. Is there a
>particular issue with that?
>
> As far as coolant goes, I actually used distilled water as I wanted to
> make sure the leaking was stopped before I pumped in a bunch of
> anti-freeze. Now I know I've got to re-adjust the mixture, but I was
> going to check that before winter anyway.
>
> The temps seem to have stabilized somewhat over the last few days.
> They're a little lower than before I replaced the thermostat, but I don't
> know that the temp ratings on the thermostat were the same.
>
> Clint (4 days, about 100km, and no overheating issues!)
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:4a1ec$451870bc$422afc51$13843@FUSE.NET...
>> It can take several days to work the air pockets out of the system,
>> trapped air can make the temperature sensor act odd.
>>
>> Did you rinse off the old antifreeze off the engine compartment?
>>
>> What coolant did you use?
>>
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:9YZRg.36288$R63.31340@pd7urf1no...
>>> So I phoned around to a few of stealerships this weekend, and found one
>>> that had the bottle and cap in stock. $100 in parts ($88 for the
>>> bottle, $12 for the cap), 15 minutes in labour, and my Jeep seems back
>>> in business. Ran around town a bit on Saturday, then to and from work
>>> again today.
>>>
>>> On thing I did notice was more fluctuation in the temp gauge that seems
>>> "normal". It would slowly go between 1/4 to 1/2; never getting over
>>> 1/2. Is that a sign of anything bad?
>>>
>>> In any case, thought I'd post back here, and let the people in the
>>> thread know the scoop. Thanks for all your help.
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>>> my Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing
>>>> like that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> Jeep is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> rpm, it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>>>> locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>





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