billy ray

Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They are
easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.

Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they fail
at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.

Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with and
cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.

While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.

Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.

Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally speaking
you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer Store, or Tim
Horton's.

In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something else
> was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
> slightly leaking bottle.
>
> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>
> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up here
> to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but with
> the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I really
> want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked or
> anything.
>
> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else is
> interested:
> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
> money I can make doing some contract work...
>
> Clint
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>
>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>
>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>
>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>> of the cap will have stains.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>>>
>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>> They
>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>> The
>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>> I've
>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>> Canada
>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>> cap,
>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them
>>> for
>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>> get
>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>
>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>> assist
>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>> might
>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>> and
>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> > my
>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>> >
>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>> > Jeep
>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> > rpm,
>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>> >
>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>> > not
>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>> >
>>> > Clint
>>> >
>
>

billy ray

Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They are
easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.

Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they fail
at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.

Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with and
cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.

While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.

Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.

Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally speaking
you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer Store, or Tim
Horton's.

In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something else
> was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
> slightly leaking bottle.
>
> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>
> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up here
> to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but with
> the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I really
> want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked or
> anything.
>
> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else is
> interested:
> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
> money I can make doing some contract work...
>
> Clint
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>
>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>
>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>
>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>> of the cap will have stains.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>>>
>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>> They
>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>> The
>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>> I've
>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>> Canada
>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>> cap,
>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them
>>> for
>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>> get
>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>
>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>> assist
>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>> might
>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>> and
>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> > my
>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>> >
>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>> > Jeep
>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> > rpm,
>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>> >
>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>> > not
>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>> >
>>> > Clint
>>> >
>
>

billy ray

Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They are
easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.

Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they fail
at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.

Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with and
cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.

While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.

Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.

Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally speaking
you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer Store, or Tim
Horton's.

In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102


"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something else
> was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
> slightly leaking bottle.
>
> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>
> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up here
> to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but with
> the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I really
> want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked or
> anything.
>
> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else is
> interested:
> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
> money I can make doing some contract work...
>
> Clint
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>
>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>
>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>
>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>> of the cap will have stains.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>>>
>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>> They
>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>> The
>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>> I've
>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>> Canada
>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>> cap,
>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them
>>> for
>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>> get
>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>
>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>> assist
>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>> might
>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>> and
>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>>> > my
>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>> >
>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>> > Jeep
>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>> > rpm,
>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>> >
>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>> > not
>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>> >
>>> > Clint
>>> >
>
>

Clint

I've had nothing but grief with Canadian Tire, and their local parts
department. I replaced my thermostat about a year ago, and I was in and out
of there at least 3 times trying to get the right part before I finally
yanked out the old one, took it in to them, and found out they didn't have a
matching one. Went down to the NAPA store, and was out of there in 5
minutes with the right one.

If nothing else, I've got selection. The local garage is a decent place in
a small town, so if he starts screwing people around, word will get out
quickly, I'm sure. Then the Canadian Tire is about 15 minutes away, with
the NAPA and a Parts Source (haven't checked them out yet) about 17 minutes
away. There's supposed to be a wrecker about 20 minutes down the road from
me, but I haven't ventured down there yet.

While I'm doing all this work, you're probably right that doing a flush
would be a reasonable idea. My only concern would be breaking loose a bunch
of crud that was nicely settled into place. :) No idea if that's a valid
concern or not, though.

Thanks for the input, guys.

Clint

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e4ce2$451207c5$422afc51$30664@FUSE.NET...
> Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
> to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
> and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They
> are easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
> 'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.
>
> Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they
> fail at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.
>
> Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with
> and cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.
>
> While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
> adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.
>
> Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.
>
> Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally
> speaking you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer
> Store, or Tim Horton's.
>
> In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
>> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
>> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something
>> else was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
>> slightly leaking bottle.
>>
>> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
>> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>>
>> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
>> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
>> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
>> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
>> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up
>> here to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but
>> with the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I
>> really want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked
>> or anything.
>>
>> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else
>> is interested:
>> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
>> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
>> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
>> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
>> money I can make doing some contract work...
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>>
>>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>>
>>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>>
>>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>>> of the cap will have stains.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Clint wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>>> They
>>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>>> The
>>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>>> I've
>>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>>> Canada
>>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>>> cap,
>>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get
>>>> them for
>>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>>> get
>>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>>
>>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>>> assist
>>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>>> might
>>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>>> and
>>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up
>>>> > overheating my
>>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> > Jeep
>>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> > rpm,
>>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>>> > not
>>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> > Clint
>>>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Clint

I've had nothing but grief with Canadian Tire, and their local parts
department. I replaced my thermostat about a year ago, and I was in and out
of there at least 3 times trying to get the right part before I finally
yanked out the old one, took it in to them, and found out they didn't have a
matching one. Went down to the NAPA store, and was out of there in 5
minutes with the right one.

If nothing else, I've got selection. The local garage is a decent place in
a small town, so if he starts screwing people around, word will get out
quickly, I'm sure. Then the Canadian Tire is about 15 minutes away, with
the NAPA and a Parts Source (haven't checked them out yet) about 17 minutes
away. There's supposed to be a wrecker about 20 minutes down the road from
me, but I haven't ventured down there yet.

While I'm doing all this work, you're probably right that doing a flush
would be a reasonable idea. My only concern would be breaking loose a bunch
of crud that was nicely settled into place. :) No idea if that's a valid
concern or not, though.

Thanks for the input, guys.

Clint

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e4ce2$451207c5$422afc51$30664@FUSE.NET...
> Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
> to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
> and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They
> are easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
> 'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.
>
> Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they
> fail at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.
>
> Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with
> and cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.
>
> While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
> adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.
>
> Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.
>
> Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally
> speaking you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer
> Store, or Tim Horton's.
>
> In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
>> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
>> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something
>> else was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
>> slightly leaking bottle.
>>
>> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
>> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>>
>> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
>> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
>> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
>> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
>> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up
>> here to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but
>> with the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I
>> really want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked
>> or anything.
>>
>> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else
>> is interested:
>> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
>> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
>> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
>> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
>> money I can make doing some contract work...
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>>
>>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>>
>>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>>
>>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>>> of the cap will have stains.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Clint wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>>> They
>>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>>> The
>>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>>> I've
>>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>>> Canada
>>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>>> cap,
>>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get
>>>> them for
>>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>>> get
>>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>>
>>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>>> assist
>>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>>> might
>>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>>> and
>>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up
>>>> > overheating my
>>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> > Jeep
>>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> > rpm,
>>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>>> > not
>>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> > Clint
>>>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Clint

I've had nothing but grief with Canadian Tire, and their local parts
department. I replaced my thermostat about a year ago, and I was in and out
of there at least 3 times trying to get the right part before I finally
yanked out the old one, took it in to them, and found out they didn't have a
matching one. Went down to the NAPA store, and was out of there in 5
minutes with the right one.

If nothing else, I've got selection. The local garage is a decent place in
a small town, so if he starts screwing people around, word will get out
quickly, I'm sure. Then the Canadian Tire is about 15 minutes away, with
the NAPA and a Parts Source (haven't checked them out yet) about 17 minutes
away. There's supposed to be a wrecker about 20 minutes down the road from
me, but I haven't ventured down there yet.

While I'm doing all this work, you're probably right that doing a flush
would be a reasonable idea. My only concern would be breaking loose a bunch
of crud that was nicely settled into place. :) No idea if that's a valid
concern or not, though.

Thanks for the input, guys.

Clint

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e4ce2$451207c5$422afc51$30664@FUSE.NET...
> Make sure you get the correct pump. Somewhere along the line they changed
> to a reversed impeller. I understand it is quite common for the reversed
> and non reversed pumps to be in the wrong box at the parts house. They
> are easy to tell apart as the reversed models will have an 'R', "REV', or
> 'REVERSE' stamped into the impeller.
>
> Be sure to replace the thermostat and cap while you are in there, they
> fail at the most inopportune times. Get the correct thermostat.
>
> Replace the factory springs clamps, they are a bad design to begin with
> and cannot be retensioned. Stainless steel screw clamps are cheap.
>
> While you are doing all this you should probably flush the cooling system,
> adding a flush-n-fill kit makes this child's play.
>
> Finally, be sure to use the proper coolant.
>
> Mike Romain can give you pointers for Canadian suppliers, generally
> speaking you can get any Jeep part you need at Canadian Tire, The Beer
> Store, or Tim Horton's.
>
> In many smaller Canadian towns that is all in one building.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...309395&idx=102
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:mlnQg.5556$R63.3907@pd7urf1no...
>> No, it's happened before. The bottle is cracked, as well, apparently.
>> The bottle was my first choice in replacing; I just figured something
>> else was wrong too, as I doubted the low flow would have been caused by a
>> slightly leaking bottle.
>>
>> And I suspected the water pump was leaking as well (drips under vehicle
>> overnight), so I'm not entirely surprised by that.
>>
>> Any suggestions for Jeep parts up here in Canada? I phoned a couple of
>> local places and got a couple prices on the water pump, and they weren't
>> too ugly. At least I'm a little more informed about what I'm getting
>> into, anyway. And I found at least one US source on eBay for the tank
>> (around $30), but it looks like they'll only ship UPS, which sucks up
>> here to Canada. The one parts place I talked to suggested a wrecker, but
>> with the issues I've heard with the tanks, it's not something that I
>> really want to replace 3 or 4 times trying to get one that's not cracked
>> or anything.
>>
>> I did find this link on the Net, WRT replacing the pump, if anyone else
>> is interested:
>> http://jeepin.com/features/waterpump/index.asp
>> Looks pretty straightforward on there, with the possible exception of the
>> 4th bolt holding things in place. Of course, I'm expecting my mileage to
>> differ. I'll have to weigh the labour charges the garage gives vs. the
>> money I can make doing some contract work...
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4511FB04.689F9B8E@sympatico.ca...
>>>I believe you either need a bottle 'or' a cap and not a pump unless it
>>> is leaking out the bottom of the snout under the pulley.
>>>
>>> If the bottle is cracked and you have to buy one, then you may as well
>>> get a new cap. More likely the cap washer is just old.....
>>>
>>> If this only happened once in hot traffic, then I would almost suspect
>>> the old cap just wasn't tight enough.
>>>
>>> You can do a visual inspection yourself. If your bottle has a long time
>>> seep or crack, there will be a green stain by the crack. If the cap
>>> washer is bad, there will be green stains around the rim. If it was a
>>> one time thing because the cap was loose, it should be clean. If it
>>> actually overheated because you have a bad pump or t-stat, then the top
>>> of the cap will have stains.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Clint wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>>>> They
>>>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time.
>>>> The
>>>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>>>> I've
>>>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>>>> Canada
>>>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>>>> cap,
>>>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get
>>>> them for
>>>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>>>> get
>>>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>>>
>>>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>>>> assist
>>>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>>>> might
>>>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>>>> and
>>>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>>>
>>>> Clint
>>>>
>>>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>>>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>>>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up
>>>> > overheating my
>>>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>>>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>>>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>>>> > Jeep
>>>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>>>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>>>> > rpm,
>>>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's
>>>> > not
>>>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> > Clint
>>>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Will Honea

I bought one a couple of months back from a local junkyard - they had
a whole bin of them - for about $30 and that included the cap. I got
the same story at the dealer you did - ouch! Until I found this
place, I was ready to make my own out of sheet copper with a regular
radiator cap and a sight glass I had laying around but I don't
recommend this unles you've done a bit of sheet work.

Before you try mending the bottle, remember that it IS under pressure
same as the radiator. Assuming 15 psi, it is really hard to get a
decent repair in that polyethelene bottle and that still leaves the
cap to fit. The last bottle I replaced had problems around the neck
on top and would not seal with a new cap.

That crack would account for most all the overheating - same as a bad
radiator cap.

Have you tried the mail order houses for a bottle? I've seen them
somewhere - surely sombody has a few sitting around.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:08:27 UTC "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote:

> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap. They
> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time. The
> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think; I've
> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in Canada
> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the cap,
> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them for
> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can get
> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>
> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to assist
> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that might
> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's and
> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >
>
>


--
Will Honea

Will Honea

I bought one a couple of months back from a local junkyard - they had
a whole bin of them - for about $30 and that included the cap. I got
the same story at the dealer you did - ouch! Until I found this
place, I was ready to make my own out of sheet copper with a regular
radiator cap and a sight glass I had laying around but I don't
recommend this unles you've done a bit of sheet work.

Before you try mending the bottle, remember that it IS under pressure
same as the radiator. Assuming 15 psi, it is really hard to get a
decent repair in that polyethelene bottle and that still leaves the
cap to fit. The last bottle I replaced had problems around the neck
on top and would not seal with a new cap.

That crack would account for most all the overheating - same as a bad
radiator cap.

Have you tried the mail order houses for a bottle? I've seen them
somewhere - surely sombody has a few sitting around.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:08:27 UTC "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote:

> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap. They
> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time. The
> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think; I've
> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in Canada
> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the cap,
> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them for
> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can get
> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>
> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to assist
> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that might
> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's and
> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >
>
>


--
Will Honea

Will Honea

I bought one a couple of months back from a local junkyard - they had
a whole bin of them - for about $30 and that included the cap. I got
the same story at the dealer you did - ouch! Until I found this
place, I was ready to make my own out of sheet copper with a regular
radiator cap and a sight glass I had laying around but I don't
recommend this unles you've done a bit of sheet work.

Before you try mending the bottle, remember that it IS under pressure
same as the radiator. Assuming 15 psi, it is really hard to get a
decent repair in that polyethelene bottle and that still leaves the
cap to fit. The last bottle I replaced had problems around the neck
on top and would not seal with a new cap.

That crack would account for most all the overheating - same as a bad
radiator cap.

Have you tried the mail order houses for a bottle? I've seen them
somewhere - surely sombody has a few sitting around.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:08:27 UTC "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote:

> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap. They
> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time. The
> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think; I've
> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in Canada
> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the cap,
> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them for
> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can get
> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>
> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to assist
> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that might
> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's and
> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>
> Clint
>
> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating my
> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
> >
> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the Jeep
> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000 rpm,
> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
> >
> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
> >
> > Clint
> >
>
>


--
Will Honea

Clint

I found a whack of them on eBay for $27 US ($30 Canadian), but nothing in
Canada. If anyone is aware of any mail order Jeep places in Canada, I'm all
ears (and eyes, I guess).

Clint

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jEhVvi3wVvbO@anon.none.net...
>I bought one a couple of months back from a local junkyard - they had
> a whole bin of them - for about $30 and that included the cap. I got
> the same story at the dealer you did - ouch! Until I found this
> place, I was ready to make my own out of sheet copper with a regular
> radiator cap and a sight glass I had laying around but I don't
> recommend this unles you've done a bit of sheet work.
>
> Before you try mending the bottle, remember that it IS under pressure
> same as the radiator. Assuming 15 psi, it is really hard to get a
> decent repair in that polyethelene bottle and that still leaves the
> cap to fit. The last bottle I replaced had problems around the neck
> on top and would not seal with a new cap.
>
> That crack would account for most all the overheating - same as a bad
> radiator cap.
>
> Have you tried the mail order houses for a bottle? I've seen them
> somewhere - surely sombody has a few sitting around.
>
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:08:27 UTC "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote:
>
>> The diagnosis from the garage is a new water pump and new bottle/cap.
>> They
>> are recommending replacing the thermostat as well, at the same time. The
>> thermostat and bottle/cap are no-brainers in terms of how-to (I think;
>> I've
>> done the thermostat before), but does anyone have a cheap source in
>> Canada
>> for the bottle? They're quoting $100 for the bottle, and $15 for the
>> cap,
>> which seems ridiculous, although the local NAPA says they can't get them
>> for
>> any price, so rarity is probably inflating the price. Something I can
>> get
>> in a timely fashion to Edmonton Alberta, in particular.
>>
>> The water pump I'm not so sure about, but my neighbor has offered to
>> assist
>> in the operation. I've got the full-service manual as well, but that
>> might
>> not be the final answer either. Ah, well, the library has a Chilton's
>> and
>> Hayne's guide, I think. :)
>>
>> Clint
>>
>> "Clint" <nobody@nowhere.none> wrote in message
>> news:igIPg.555744$iF6.409921@pd7tw2no...
>> > So we had a really hot day here awhile ago, and I ended up overheating
>> > my
>> > Jeep Comanche (4.0l engine). I had problems before, but nothing like
>> > that. Stuck in stop and go traffic, hot temps, etc.
>> >
>> > So I'm trying to do a little diagnosis, but I'm not that automotively
>> > inclined. But what I'm seeing if very little coolant flow when the
>> > Jeep
>> > is idling. I have no way of measuring it, but it seems to just be
>> > trickling into the tank. When I had my helper/wife rev it up to 2000
>> > rpm,
>> > it flowed much faster, but still not a torrent or anything.
>> >
>> > Is it possible that the water pump has gone caput, even though it's not
>> > locked up or anything? Should I start with just replacing that?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance. This group has been a great asset in the past.
>> >
>> > Clint
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea