87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
That is a shitload of cash for a 1988 engine, plus a shitload of work...
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
That is a shitload of cash for a 1988 engine, plus a shitload of work...
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
That is a shitload of cash for a 1988 engine, plus a shitload of work...
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
If the reason the engine is available is accident related, you don't
want it. Impacts on engines that old are usually bad news.
Why not just buy a new Weber carb or find an old mechanic that actually
knows how to set a carb up?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
bobvonbob wrote:
>
> thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> decide whether this is a good idea.
> i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> etc etc - yes?
> in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> thanks for all the advice,
> bennett
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
Yeah, but you have a soft block chebby motor, not that wonderful 4.0
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
Guest
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
Yeah, but you have a soft block chebby motor, not that wonderful 4.0
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
Guest
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
Yeah, but you have a soft block chebby motor, not that wonderful 4.0
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
another rebuild.
I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
LONG time.
More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
Jeff DeWitt
Earle Horton wrote:
> I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches than
> you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable top
> short wheelbase 4x4.
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
>>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
>>apart.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>bobvonbob wrote:
>>
>>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
>>>decide whether this is a good idea.
>>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
>>>etc etc - yes?
>>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
>>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
>>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
>>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
>>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
>>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
>>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
>>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
>>>thanks for all the advice,
>>>bennett
>>>
>
>
>
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Re: 87 YJ 4.2 -> 4.0 swap questions
Afaik, the original engine in the Suburban did 260,000 miles. It was
burning oil at a rate of a quart every 300 miles, and I had one inch
aftermarket breathers in both valve covers, just to keep the blowby off the
windshield. I have had the replacement engine for five years, 30,000 miles,
so the warranty I got with it is pretty much moot now. I expect it will
also last as long as your Jeep. ;^)
Earle
"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bJpLg.5171$Qg.1216@southeast.rr.com...
> Yeah, but you have a soft block chebby motor, not that wonderful 4.0
> six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
> another rebuild.
>
> I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
> fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
> for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
> LONG time.
>
> More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches
than
> > you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> > with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> > privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable
top
> > short wheelbase 4x4.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> >
> >>Yes.
> >>
> >>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
> >>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
> >>apart.
> >>
> >>Jeff DeWitt
> >>
> >>bobvonbob wrote:
> >>
> >>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> >>>decide whether this is a good idea.
> >>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> >>>etc etc - yes?
> >>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> >>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> >>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> >>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> >>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> >>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> >>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> >>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> >>>thanks for all the advice,
> >>>bennett
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
burning oil at a rate of a quart every 300 miles, and I had one inch
aftermarket breathers in both valve covers, just to keep the blowby off the
windshield. I have had the replacement engine for five years, 30,000 miles,
so the warranty I got with it is pretty much moot now. I expect it will
also last as long as your Jeep. ;^)
Earle
"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bJpLg.5171$Qg.1216@southeast.rr.com...
> Yeah, but you have a soft block chebby motor, not that wonderful 4.0
> six. Odds are my 4.0 will still be going strong when your ready for
> another rebuild.
>
> I've got an unlimited warranty for 18,000 miles, (engine and labor if it
> fails), after that I have to pay for labor but the engine is warranted
> for as long as I own the Jeep... and I expect to have this Jeep for a
> LONG time.
>
> More often that not you really do get what you pay for.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > I paid $3,000 for a new 350 in my Suburban. That's more cubic inches
than
> > you got, and cheaper too. Always a good thing to remember, when dealing
> > with Chrysler Products, is that you are going to pay more, just for the
> > privilege of dealing with them. Too bad Chevy doesn't make a removable
top
> > short wheelbase 4x4.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:BtPKg.9137$lk6.3477@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> >
> >>Yes.
> >>
> >>I paid almost $4,000 for a new 4.0 in my Cherokee, of course someone
> >>else did the work and they replaced a bunch of other stuff while it was
> >>apart.
> >>
> >>Jeff DeWitt
> >>
> >>bobvonbob wrote:
> >>
> >>>thanks alot - i get it now... i'll have to take a tape measure along to
> >>>decide whether this is a good idea.
> >>>i suppose $500 is reasonable for a low mileage 4.0 engine + computer
> >>>etc etc - yes?
> >>>in truth, this vehicle is my daily driver, but the motor is tired and
> >>>the carb has given me nothing but trouble - if i cannot make a
> >>>relatively cost effective engine swap i believe i will be selling it
> >>>and buying an 80's Toyota 4runner or 4x4 truck.
> >>>i had gotten pretty convinced that i just dont have the time, the
> >>>money, the space, or the energy right now to make a proper vehicle out
> >>>of this wrangler... but then this opportunity popped up and i figured
> >>>i'd give it a shot... guess i'll just have to see.
> >>>thanks for all the advice,
> >>>bennett
> >>>
> >
> >
> >