Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
<me@excite.com> writes:

>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>

Correct.
I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
going to the distributor.
After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.

BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
operations.
Jim

88 Grand Wagoneer
89 Wrangler
00 Grand Cherokee

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
<me@excite.com> writes:

>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>

Correct.
I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
going to the distributor.
After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.

BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
operations.
Jim

88 Grand Wagoneer
89 Wrangler
00 Grand Cherokee

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
<me@excite.com> writes:

>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>

Correct.
I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
going to the distributor.
After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.

BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
operations.
Jim

88 Grand Wagoneer
89 Wrangler
00 Grand Cherokee

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:

>In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
><me@excite.com> writes:
>
>>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>>
>
>Correct.
>I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
>intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
>connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
>going to the distributor.
>After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
>ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
>
>BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
>operations.
>Jim
>
>88 Grand Wagoneer
>89 Wrangler
>00 Grand Cherokee

I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.

Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
get a chance.

http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:

>In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
><me@excite.com> writes:
>
>>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>>
>
>Correct.
>I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
>intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
>connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
>going to the distributor.
>After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
>ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
>
>BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
>operations.
>Jim
>
>88 Grand Wagoneer
>89 Wrangler
>00 Grand Cherokee

I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.

Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
get a chance.

http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:

>In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
><me@excite.com> writes:
>
>>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>>
>
>Correct.
>I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
>intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
>connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
>going to the distributor.
>After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
>ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
>
>BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
>operations.
>Jim
>
>88 Grand Wagoneer
>89 Wrangler
>00 Grand Cherokee

I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.

Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
get a chance.

http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

Jeepster wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:
>
> >In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
> ><me@excite.com> writes:
> >
> >>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
> >>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
> >>
> >
> >Correct.
> >I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
> >intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
> >connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
> >going to the distributor.
> >After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
> >ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
> >
> >BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
> >operations.
> >Jim
> >
> >88 Grand Wagoneer
> >89 Wrangler
> >00 Grand Cherokee
>
> I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
> can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
> idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
> the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
> hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
> it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
> the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
> a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
> starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
> here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
> for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.
>
> Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
> get a chance.
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm


That's neat, never though of that for a 'hand throttle'. I will pass
that on to others for sure. I even have my old one kicking around and
likely will put it back on.

That would be a great thing to have when the idle tubes plug up and it
won't idle for crap but runs good over 1200 rpm or for winching.

I got a manual choke kit from Canadian Tire and put it in mine. That
way I can drive away in the real cold without having to 3 foot drive the
thing until it warms up. The electric choke is just a plain timer that
goes off according to how long it has had 12 volts, no matter the real
temp.

I can set a fast idle by pulling on the choke when I have the pedal down
where I want it, then letting off the pedal and pushing the choke back
in. It stays on the fast idle cam until I blip the gas pedal.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

Jeepster wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:
>
> >In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
> ><me@excite.com> writes:
> >
> >>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
> >>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
> >>
> >
> >Correct.
> >I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
> >intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
> >connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
> >going to the distributor.
> >After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
> >ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
> >
> >BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
> >operations.
> >Jim
> >
> >88 Grand Wagoneer
> >89 Wrangler
> >00 Grand Cherokee
>
> I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
> can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
> idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
> the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
> hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
> it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
> the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
> a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
> starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
> here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
> for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.
>
> Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
> get a chance.
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm


That's neat, never though of that for a 'hand throttle'. I will pass
that on to others for sure. I even have my old one kicking around and
likely will put it back on.

That would be a great thing to have when the idle tubes plug up and it
won't idle for crap but runs good over 1200 rpm or for winching.

I got a manual choke kit from Canadian Tire and put it in mine. That
way I can drive away in the real cold without having to 3 foot drive the
thing until it warms up. The electric choke is just a plain timer that
goes off according to how long it has had 12 volts, no matter the real
temp.

I can set a fast idle by pulling on the choke when I have the pedal down
where I want it, then letting off the pedal and pushing the choke back
in. It stays on the fast idle cam until I blip the gas pedal.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

Jeepster wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:
>
> >In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
> ><me@excite.com> writes:
> >
> >>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
> >>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
> >>
> >
> >Correct.
> >I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
> >intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
> >connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
> >going to the distributor.
> >After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
> >ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
> >
> >BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
> >operations.
> >Jim
> >
> >88 Grand Wagoneer
> >89 Wrangler
> >00 Grand Cherokee
>
> I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
> can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
> idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
> the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
> hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
> it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
> the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
> a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
> starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
> here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
> for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.
>
> Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
> get a chance.
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm


That's neat, never though of that for a 'hand throttle'. I will pass
that on to others for sure. I even have my old one kicking around and
likely will put it back on.

That would be a great thing to have when the idle tubes plug up and it
won't idle for crap but runs good over 1200 rpm or for winching.

I got a manual choke kit from Canadian Tire and put it in mine. That
way I can drive away in the real cold without having to 3 foot drive the
thing until it warms up. The electric choke is just a plain timer that
goes off according to how long it has had 12 volts, no matter the real
temp.

I can set a fast idle by pulling on the choke when I have the pedal down
where I want it, then letting off the pedal and pushing the choke back
in. It stays on the fast idle cam until I blip the gas pedal.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 87 YJ 258 Cold start problems (Long)
 

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:42:27 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Dec 2003 21:57:31 GMT, jianryla@aol.com (Jim Boucher) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <jm6ktvgamh8u7i569d7p1fme9p47s7bvuc@4ax.com>, Jeepster
>> ><me@excite.com> writes:
>> >
>> >>You use higher vac until you get to 155 deg then it switches your vac
>> >>advance over to ported when the switch kicks in. Correct?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Correct.
>> >I removed the coolant temp. sensor that's located at the forward end of the
>> >intake manifold. In it's place, I inserted a 155° 3-way CTO switch and
>> >connected ported and manifold vacuum hoses to the switch; the third connection
>> >going to the distributor.
>> >After I had done the nutter, it just wouldn't idle nicely when cold using
>> >ported vacuum (essensially 0" at idle). Runs like a champ now.
>> >
>> >BTW, I like the solenoid idea. I was thinking of doing that for winching
>> >operations.
>> >Jim
>> >
>> >88 Grand Wagoneer
>> >89 Wrangler
>> >00 Grand Cherokee
>>
>> I was playing with the sol-vac and the new switch today and found I
>> can get it to idle anywhere from 900 to 1400 rpm, I just achieve the
>> idle point I want and then flick on the switch. From what I have read
>> the sol-vac doesn't have enough power to open the throttle but it can
>> hold it where ever you set it....... now I have to quit playing with
>> it at stop lights :). I also wired my carb/intake manifold heater to
>> the same switch bank and on the really cold days I can flick it on for
>> a few minutes and get the vapors in the intake nice and warm before
>> starting it. I'm not sure where you live but it can get to -40 Deg C
>> here in Alberta and my vehicle sits out in the open when I'm at work
>> for up to 13 hours, it's my version of a glow plug.
>>
>> Thanks for the info I might consider trying the cto thing out when I
>> get a chance.
>>
>> http://members.shaw.ca/kb57/jeep.htm
>
>
>That's neat, never though of that for a 'hand throttle'. I will pass
>that on to others for sure. I even have my old one kicking around and
>likely will put it back on.
>
>That would be a great thing to have when the idle tubes plug up and it
>won't idle for crap but runs good over 1200 rpm or for winching.
>
>I got a manual choke kit from Canadian Tire and put it in mine. That
>way I can drive away in the real cold without having to 3 foot drive the
>thing until it warms up. The electric choke is just a plain timer that
>goes off according to how long it has had 12 volts, no matter the real
>temp.
>
>I can set a fast idle by pulling on the choke when I have the pedal down
>where I want it, then letting off the pedal and pushing the choke back
>in. It stays on the fast idle cam until I blip the gas pedal.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Yes the choke coming off so quick is a major down fall, it might work
in the States but with the weather here it just opens up way to quick.

I have also read somewhere that someone put a reostat on his choke so
that he can vary the opening, I thought to myself there is a guy who
is thinking.

I looked at the sol-vac not as a useless piece of junk under the hood
but as an opportunity. :)