'85 CJ7 Signal Problem
08-10-2004, 03:12 AM
#11
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
08-10-2004, 03:12 AM
#12
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
08-10-2004, 03:12 AM
#13
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
08-10-2004, 09:55 AM
#14
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
You 'must' have the wires for the flasher under there because it was
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-10-2004, 09:55 AM
#15
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
You 'must' have the wires for the flasher under there because it was
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-10-2004, 09:55 AM
#16
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
You 'must' have the wires for the flasher under there because it was
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-10-2004, 09:55 AM
#17
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
You 'must' have the wires for the flasher under there because it was
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
shown to work for the seller.
The normal problem with the lights is a broken bulb or a dead ground for
the rear lights.
The brake and signal lights use the bolts on the light fixture as a
ground. The running lights use a wire inside the harness for a ground.
When a brake or signal light fails (the glass comes loose from the brass
base) or loses it's ground, it will steal a ground from the running
lights. This makes it look like the other side is lighting up and all
kind of strange things happen.
There are two flashers in the fuse panel by the by.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-10-2004, 11:28 AM
#18
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Heh! Success! There ended up being a wire that had a 90 degree connector on
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
08-10-2004, 11:28 AM
#19
Guest
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Heh! Success! There ended up being a wire that had a 90 degree connector on
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
08-10-2004, 11:28 AM
#20
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Heh! Success! There ended up being a wire that had a 90 degree connector on
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
it and I plugged the flasher unit into that and badabing! She works! Thank
you for all of your help and thanks alot for the wiring schematic! That will
likely come in handy again. I appreciate your help immensely!
Mike Romain, nice to see you are still around. I haven't been here in about
3 years since I sold my '88 YJ but you helped me alot with that old beast
back then and when I re-subscribed to this list I was hoping you'd still be
kickin around on here!
Cheers guys! Now I'm off to buy some tops for this baby.
griffin
'85 CJ7
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41187550.90D7F55B@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
> firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
> short, if there is one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> > However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the
turn
> > signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> > tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a
very
> > special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one
has
> > the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to
replace
> > the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > griffin
