'85 CJ7 Signal Problem
08-09-2004, 08:41 PM
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'85 CJ7 Signal Problem
I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
me.
Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
the fuse box and that didn't help.
Thanks for any help!
signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
me.
Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
the fuse box and that didn't help.
Thanks for any help!
08-09-2004, 09:29 PM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-09-2004, 09:29 PM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-09-2004, 09:29 PM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-09-2004, 09:29 PM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
the short is removed.
It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
to the side the flashers will be using.
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
griffin wrote:
>
> I just got an '85 Jeep CJ7 and the lights and brakes work fine but the turn
> signals won't work. When I bought it, they didn't work until the guy went to
> his truck and got a "signal relay" and plugged it in somewhere under the
> dash. Then they worked. When I picked the Jeep up the next day, they didn't
> work so I'm assuming maybe he took his part back. I never thought to ask him
> where/what he connected and he's out of town now ...maybe you guys can help
> me.
>
> Also, the hazards sometimes work, sometimes don't. I'm not sure if this is
> related? Also, when I turn a signal on one way and press the brakes, the
> opposite brake light comes on but the one on the same side as the signal
> doesn't. I'm assuming this is normal for older vehicles but maybe not?
>
> I tried replacing the little round 2-prong flasher lamp thing that goes into
> the fuse box and that didn't help.
>
> Thanks for any help!
08-10-2004, 02:23 AM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
08-10-2004, 02:23 AM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
08-10-2004, 02:23 AM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
08-10-2004, 02:23 AM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
griffin
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:411824E9.BABFE1FB@***.net...
> Hi Griffin,
> I there must be a short in the turn signal wiring and the seller
> removed the flasher to save you a dead battery, as you said you, replace
> the flasher, like there was only one, there are two, one for the
> hazards, and one for your directional as in schematic:
> http://www.----------.com/83FuseBlock.jpg It may help you to find the
> short put ohm meter on the red trace wire going to the turn signal
> switch, then start up plugging wires coming out of that switch, until
> the short is removed.
> It is normal for the switch to disconnect the rear tail stop lights
> to the side the flashers will be using.
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
08-10-2004, 03:12 AM
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Re: '85 CJ7 Signal Problem
Hi Griffin,
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
Sounds like a good place to start, unbolt the fuse block form the
firewall and see if those contacts have broken away, that may be your
short, if there is one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> Yup, that's exactly what the problem is. Thanks for the schematic too!
> However, I have a problem with your solution. The flasher part for the turn
> signals has no metal connector pins inside. I even jammed a connection
> tester rod in as far as I could and got no signal. Does this require a very
> special flasher unit or are there supposed to be pins (the hazard one has
> the two pins)? Is there an easy way to fix this without having to replace
> the whole fuse box? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
>
> griffin
