Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
back there inside the box.


Earle Horton wrote:
> How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
> do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
> you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> budgets.
>
> Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
> oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
> They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
> could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>
> I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
> the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
> and don't have it.
>
> Earle
>
> "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>
>


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temperature in AFU Labs.

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
back there inside the box.


Earle Horton wrote:
> How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
> do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
> you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> budgets.
>
> Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
> oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
> They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
> could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>
> I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
> the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
> and don't have it.
>
> Earle
>
> "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>
>


--

This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
temperature in AFU Labs.

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
back there inside the box.


Earle Horton wrote:
> How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
> do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
> you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> budgets.
>
> Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
> oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
> They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
> could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>
> I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
> the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
> and don't have it.
>
> Earle
>
> "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>
>


--

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(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
temperature in AFU Labs.

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all
> he'll accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust
> and dirt back there inside the box.

The best solution is also the most expensive. That is to find a
place that will dip your frame. One dip strips off all rust and
the other coats inside and outside with rustproofing. They usually
also have powdercoating or paint options.

One option I have seen for the DIY job is to drill holes in the
side of the frame every couple of feet then spray in rust converter
and plug with rubber plugs. Not sure I'd recommend that.

--
DougW

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all
> he'll accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust
> and dirt back there inside the box.

The best solution is also the most expensive. That is to find a
place that will dip your frame. One dip strips off all rust and
the other coats inside and outside with rustproofing. They usually
also have powdercoating or paint options.

One option I have seen for the DIY job is to drill holes in the
side of the frame every couple of feet then spray in rust converter
and plug with rubber plugs. Not sure I'd recommend that.

--
DougW

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all
> he'll accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust
> and dirt back there inside the box.

The best solution is also the most expensive. That is to find a
place that will dip your frame. One dip strips off all rust and
the other coats inside and outside with rustproofing. They usually
also have powdercoating or paint options.

One option I have seen for the DIY job is to drill holes in the
side of the frame every couple of feet then spray in rust converter
and plug with rubber plugs. Not sure I'd recommend that.

--
DougW

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all
> he'll accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust
> and dirt back there inside the box.

The best solution is also the most expensive. That is to find a
place that will dip your frame. One dip strips off all rust and
the other coats inside and outside with rustproofing. They usually
also have powdercoating or paint options.

One option I have seen for the DIY job is to drill holes in the
side of the frame every couple of feet then spray in rust converter
and plug with rubber plugs. Not sure I'd recommend that.

--
DougW

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
other end!

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> back there inside the box.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
What
> > do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> > Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
As
> > you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> > budgets.
> >
> > Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
"hot
> > oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> > heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
car.
> > They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
you
> > could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> > remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> > longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >
> > I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
for
> > the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
hole,
> > and don't have it.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
other end!

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> back there inside the box.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
What
> > do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> > Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
As
> > you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> > budgets.
> >
> > Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
"hot
> > oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> > heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
car.
> > They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
you
> > could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> > remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> > longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >
> > I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
for
> > the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
hole,
> > and don't have it.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
 

Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
other end!

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> back there inside the box.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
What
> > do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> > Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
As
> > you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> > budgets.
> >
> > Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
"hot
> > oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> > heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
car.
> > They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
you
> > could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> > remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> > longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >
> > I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
for
> > the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
hole,
> > and don't have it.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.