Peter Parker

In article <88b7a$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.

It makes you wonder. I read or saw on TV comparison vehicles which included
the Ford Fusion. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc etc. Guess which one was not
built in the USA? Yep, the Fusion was built in Mexico as per the article.

>
>
>>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>>Transmission Plant)
>>
>> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
>> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>>something like this go for?
>>
>>
>> I would say a few thousand....
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
>
>


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Peter Parker

In article <88b7a$4515db6b$422afc51$2636@FUSE.NET>,
billy ray <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>Could be, he sold his Harley about a month ago.

It makes you wonder. I read or saw on TV comparison vehicles which included
the Ford Fusion. Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc etc. Guess which one was not
built in the USA? Yep, the Fusion was built in Mexico as per the article.

>
>
>>>I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
>>>bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>>>Transmission Plant)
>>
>> I think he probably feels he is going to get layed off soon. 40K Ford
>> employees getting the axe. I wonder if this plant will get closed?
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>>>something like this go for?
>>
>>
>> I would say a few thousand....
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
>
>


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Mike Romain

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Mike Romain

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

Mike Romain

I would keep on looking....

A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.

When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
middle.

This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
running anymore.

Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

billy ray wrote:
>
> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
> next year.
>
> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I did
> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>
> I have some interest in it.....
>
> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no obvious
> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>
> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly well
> done
>
> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack of
> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>
> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
> covers.
>
> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components rebuilt/replaced
> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>
> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay in
> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble for a
> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads down
> the road past me.
>
> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly to
> the frame (no to the floor)
>
> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there are
> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention I
> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point where
> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>
> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and are
> in fair shape.
>
> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works well.
> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off easily.
>
> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth, he
> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
> Transmission Plant)
>
> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
> something like this go for?

billy ray

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

billy ray

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?

billy ray

Well.... I'm probably going back to my XJ plan that we discussed last
year...


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45168FD0.5F91BF95@sympatico.ca...
>I would keep on looking....
>
> A vehicle that has been modified has normally been driven to the limits
> of it's modifications. This puts a 'lot' of wear on parts.
>
> When the frame is rotted, it goes in the weakest or the highest stress
> spots first, the back. Once the back is reinforced it becomes too
> strong with no flex so the stress heads to the front. Usually the front
> driver's side. Then once you reinforce the front after it cracks, the
> same thing happens, no flex and too strong so the sucker snaps in the
> middle.
>
> This makes for a Sunday driver only, it is not good for serious trail
> running anymore.
>
> Then the body.... Well, that undercoating is sure excellent at covering
> up rot. My body tub 'looked' great, but when I jacked it up off the
> frame via the roll bar, the floor turned out to be pure undercoating
> with some fiberglass mesh which fell out, the tailgate was only held on
> by this so it fell off, the front cowl had nothing to grab onto so it
> fell off and I was left with two fenders hanging off the roll bar...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy up the road with a '78 CJ5 that he is considering selling
>> next year.
>>
>> The only time I looked underneath was before I heard he might sell so I
>> did
>> not examine it carefully mostly out of curiosity.
>>
>> I have some interest in it.....
>>
>> The frame and underbody appears to be in good shape, there were no
>> obvious
>> rust/rot holes. The underneath is painted/coated black.
>>
>> The inside of the tub is herculined in black and appears to be fairly
>> well
>> done
>>
>> The dash has the original gauges, and an aftermarket radio and a 3 pack
>> of
>> aftermarket gauges (oil pressure, water temperature, volts) that were
>> properly installed in the dash. I don't recall the mileage... I have the
>> vague sense it was less than 100k (or less than 200k or 300k)
>>
>> The seats are in reasonable shape, I assume they are replacement seats or
>> covers.
>>
>> He had told me in the past (before he considered selling it) that the
>> running gear was recently inspected and all worn components
>> rebuilt/replaced
>> and I have no reason to doubt this.
>>
>> The engine (I-6) runs well when warm, it will occasionally have a delay
>> in
>> starting (more than a few seconds of cranking) and sometimes a stumble
>> for a
>> few seconds after starting (only when cold) that I can hear as he heads
>> down
>> the road past me.
>>
>> It has had a full roll bar set which is welded to plates bolted directly
>> to
>> the frame (no to the floor)
>>
>> Considering its age (28) the body is in pretty good shape however there
>> are
>> some larger areas of bubbled paint indicating there is something going on
>> below. There is no obvious body damage and the only body shop attention
>> I
>> can recall is that it has been painted a number of times to the point
>> where
>> the edges of fasteners are obscured.
>>
>> The tires are 'Mud King XTs' which I know to be lower quality BFGs and
>> are
>> in fair shape.
>>
>> The soft top and doors are in good shake, the latching mechanism works
>> well.
>> He removes the doors when it is not raining and they come on and off
>> easily.
>>
>> I did not ask why he was considering selling, but for what it is worth,
>> he
>> bought a new 4X4 F150 Short Bed this summer (he works at the Ford
>> Transmission Plant)
>>
>> Now I realize this is a completely unfair question but....... What would
>> something like this go for?