Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have now?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms are
>>kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>> later.
>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and have
>> all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>> Best Regards,
>> Jim

 

Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have now?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms are
>>kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>> later.
>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and have
>> all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>> Best Regards,
>> Jim

 

Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have now?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms are
>>kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>> later.
>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and have
>> all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>> Best Regards,
>> Jim

 

It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
(higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
on.

Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
issue of reliability / breakage?

Carl


"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:dovco7$e6a$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
> axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
> basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
> overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
> Jim
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have
>>now?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
>> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms
>>>are kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>>> later.
>>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and
>>> have all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Jim
>
>

 

It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
(higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
on.

Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
issue of reliability / breakage?

Carl


"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:dovco7$e6a$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
> axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
> basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
> overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
> Jim
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have
>>now?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
>> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms
>>>are kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>>> later.
>>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and
>>> have all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Jim
>
>

 

It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
(higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
on.

Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
issue of reliability / breakage?

Carl


"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:dovco7$e6a$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Whoof! I've got 4.10's in the rear (LockRite Locker and one-pc forged
> axles). When you combine the 4.10 with the 5.61 granny 1st, the tranny's
> basically a 4 speed where I use second as first and so on and the 5th
> overdrive gear's a fairly low fourth.
> Jim
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:66WdnYdn6vqVqS7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>>I would say get an 8.8" rear w/disc brakes and lock it up. It should come
>>with 3.55, 3.73, or 4.10 gears.The stock D30 will be fine unlocked, and
>>with a locker in the back, you'll do really well. I think that setup with
>>4.10 or 4.56 gears would be optimal. Usually 33's couple with 4.56's, but
>>withthe 350 and your transmission I don't know. What gears do you have
>>now?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
>> news:dovbq1$dhd$1@news.utelfla.com...
>>>1 Pockets not very deep at the moment but time heals all wounds. Arms
>>>are kinda lanky but not sure what that has to do with axles:)
>>> 2 Lookin' for as capable as I can get but don't do anything radical;
>>> mostly inch-worm, creepy-crawly kinda stuff and camping.
>>> 3 Lockers are better but could live with open diffs til can upgrade
>>> later.
>>> 4 Got 33's for the past many years. Could go bigger to keep dimensions
>>> right. Not interested in size, though, just ability.
>>> 5 Just swapped in a Chevrolet 350 w/TPI, headers, etc. It's backed up
>>> with a NV4500 & Dana 300. Plenty of torque and power. Gonna upgrade it
>>> again and the numbers will go up (only 'cause I haven't rebuilt yet).
>>> 6 Outstanding question. I've owned it for somewhere around 13 years now
>>> and would never part with it. It's a sentimental hobby car since my son
>>> used to love beating it with a hammer as a toddler (lost him shortly
>>> thereafter:( All I can tell people is, "It's a Jeep thing. You wouldn't
>>> understand." Anyway, it's not meant to be a bogger, rock-crawler or
>>> pit-beater. It's a quest for the best all around 4WD I can build based
>>> on design; 44" tires and 10' tall isn't cool unless it's optimum (33"
>>> tires were it due to handling and brakes).
>>> Basically looking for the best starting alternative to look for and
>>> have all the time in the world to upgrade/modify from there. I have two
>>> little girls to beat on it with a wrench now:)
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Jim
>
>

 

Braking and handling are pretty much the desired effect (wider w/better
brakes). The AMC20's built stout and I should be happy with as much as I've
put into it. Still, I'm not and the 4.10's are just too much. The front
Dana30's are shot enough to be swapped and that's where it all started. If
I went to larger tires, I'd have to lift more than the current 4" and the
body roll's a bit much for a daily driver as it is.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lMCdnePIhKLrqi7eRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
> (higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
> think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
> should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
> on.
>
> Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
> issue of reliability / breakage?
>
> Carl

 

Braking and handling are pretty much the desired effect (wider w/better
brakes). The AMC20's built stout and I should be happy with as much as I've
put into it. Still, I'm not and the 4.10's are just too much. The front
Dana30's are shot enough to be swapped and that's where it all started. If
I went to larger tires, I'd have to lift more than the current 4" and the
body roll's a bit much for a daily driver as it is.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lMCdnePIhKLrqi7eRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
> (higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
> think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
> should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
> on.
>
> Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
> issue of reliability / breakage?
>
> Carl

 

Braking and handling are pretty much the desired effect (wider w/better
brakes). The AMC20's built stout and I should be happy with as much as I've
put into it. Still, I'm not and the 4.10's are just too much. The front
Dana30's are shot enough to be swapped and that's where it all started. If
I went to larger tires, I'd have to lift more than the current 4" and the
body roll's a bit much for a daily driver as it is.
Jim

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lMCdnePIhKLrqi7eRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> It's not often that a Jeeper wants to re-gear to a numerically lower
> (higher) ratio, but I think you can gear the D30 to 3.73, which is what (I
> think) a lot of 8.8's have. You can also look for an XJ dana 44, which
> should have the 3.73's and if the axle shaft's break, the wheels will stay
> on.
>
> Out of curiousity, why do you need to upgrade the AMC 20? I assume is an
> issue of reliability / breakage?
>
> Carl

 

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Drink wrote:
>
> Okay, first things first: Don't kill me for asking:)
> Now... I want to do an axle conversion and need some advice on what to
> swap (Dana 30 frt/AMC 20 Rr, 11" drums). I've done a lot of searching and
> scrounging but can't find the right axles. A friend in a tranny shop
> recommends 10/12 bolt Chevy's. Another guy want $800 for Dana 44's from a
> 79 Cherokee. Another guy who customs Jeeps wants to unload a 14 bolt rear
> and 44 front for $600 (and $1500 in labor).
> I've read everything from a 8.8 Ford rear to how Scout axles have
> unacceptable drawbacks (for me at least). I either can't find the silver
> bullet website or am overwhelmed with a million "Hey! I did this and don't
> like this about it" hits.
> Can you guys give me some solid advice on axle swaps? I don't mind if
> it's wide since that'll help handling. Don't care if it's spring over or
> under either since I live in the flatlands. I'd really like better braking,
> though. I just don't want to go straight to a machinist off the bat.
> P.S. tire size and gearing are a thought as well since I have a NV4500;
> granny 1st is unuseably low right now and wiiiide gear ratio makes it drive
> like a dump truck:)
> Regards,
> Jim