Approximately 8/10/03 14:35, Matt Macchiarolo uttered for posterity:

> In article <3F369B30.EC549EA@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> writes:
>
>> I've seen some weird full sized Pontiacs from the fifties and
>>sixties, that where made in Canada, but for everything else, GM shares
>>nothing between their Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Chevrolet
>>divisions, not even a tire rim from the muscle car err.
>
> Weren't the Trans Am and the Camaro of the 70's/80's/90's based on the same
> platform?

The F body if memory serves. After the great denutting
didn't follow engines enough to note whether they still
had their own engine blocks [as in the 70 and before]
or even shared that.

 

Approximately 8/10/03 15:52, Matt Macchiarolo uttered for posterity:

> In article <3F36BDC9.47511260@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
>>I remember we used to do that with old Fords and Mercury's ,
>>you have one of those, right? The Canada Merc?
>
> Nah, it was my dad's. The Mercury Marquis/Ford LTD.
>
> Right now I'm kinda looking for an early 70's Cadillac Deville convertible.
> Would make an awesome tow vehicle. I saw the Top 10 Used Tow Rigs article in
> one of the new mags, and even though it seemed to be a "tongue in cheek"
> portion (they also included a Peterbilt tractor) an old Caddy towing a Jeep
> just has a certain cool factor in my mind.

I dunno, would think one of the big late 50's "fin" Caddies would
be even cooler, or the old straight body Continental. This
if you couldn't find a '66 GTO or a Hemi Superbird of course.

 

Yup. Some wiseacre auto mag had one tuned up and then stuffed
it in an XKE Jag. Stock, it reminded me too much of the
Cosworth Vega and 66 Turbo Corsa... a great idea turned to
crap by the beancounters.


Approximately 8/10/03 14:57, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:

> Did you every see the overhead cam six the Fire Bird originally
> brought out?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Weren't the Trans Am and the Camaro of the 70's/80's/90's based on the same
>> platform?
>> * * *
>> Matt Macchiarolo
>> www.townpeddler.com
>> www.wolverine4wd.org
>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

Sure they had their own engines. In the latter 70's, the Pontiac Trans
Am shared an engine with Olds before Chevy. You had to order the T/A 6.6
to get the Pontiac version, otherwise you had an Olds 403.

Lon Stowell wrote:
> Approximately 8/10/03 14:35, Matt Macchiarolo uttered for posterity:
>
>
>>In article <3F369B30.EC549EA@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III
>><----------@***.net> writes:
>>
>>
>>> I've seen some weird full sized Pontiacs from the fifties and
>>>sixties, that where made in Canada, but for everything else, GM shares
>>>nothing between their Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Chevrolet
>>>divisions, not even a tire rim from the muscle car err.
>>
>>Weren't the Trans Am and the Camaro of the 70's/80's/90's based on the same
>>platform?
>
>
> The F body if memory serves. After the great denutting
> didn't follow engines enough to note whether they still
> had their own engine blocks [as in the 70 and before]
> or even shared that.
>


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L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> I've seen some weird full sized Pontiacs from the fifties and
> sixties, that where made in Canada, but for everything else, GM
> shares nothing between their Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and
> Chevrolet divisions, not even a tire rim from the muscle car err.

The muscle car era wasn't 1985, currently they share the same LS1
engine, same 6 speed tranny, same chassis, sure there was more variation
in the 80's but just look at them, same platform... lots of parts that
are the same.

 

Remember the first time GM put Chevrolet engines in Buicks and Pontiacs
because of a shortage? ---- hit the fan after that.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F387EE3.3D481C92@***.net...
> You wrote, "basically the same cars for most of their history"
> which tells me you weren't even born when they rolled off the assembly
> line. Just open any auto repair book. And just in case you see the
> Firebird 400", it's not the Chevy small block.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> >
> > The muscle car era wasn't 1985, currently they share the same LS1
> > engine, same 6 speed tranny, same chassis, sure there was more variation
> > in the 80's but just look at them, same platform... lots of parts that
> > are the same.

 

Not American, and they're not listed in my Motor Manuals up to the
early eighties. I have seen some Canadian Pontiacs, and I remember a
Mercury Comet, something, that were all screwed up.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Remember the first time GM put Chevrolet engines in Buicks and Pontiacs
> because of a shortage? ---- hit the fan after that.
>
> Earle

 

I thought the first big flap was putting the Chev 350 blocks into
the Olds when they ran out. There was a big class action lawsuit
from it, mostly based on the old Oldsmobile advertising for their
"positive valve rotation" that was claimed to prolong the life
of engine valves compared to engines without it. Dimly recall
that the result of the lawsuit to buyers was mostly discount
certificates.... one discount on a new Olds if you win the
lawsuit, *two* discount certificates on a new Olds if you
*lose* the lawsuit.


Approximately 8/12/03 06:44, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:

> Remember the first time GM put Chevrolet engines in Buicks and Pontiacs
> because of a shortage? ---- hit the fan after that.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F387EE3.3D481C92@***.net...
>> You wrote, "basically the same cars for most of their history"
>> which tells me you weren't even born when they rolled off the assembly
>> line. Just open any auto repair book. And just in case you see the
>> Firebird 400", it's not the Chevy small block.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Simon Juncal wrote:
>> >
>> > The muscle car era wasn't 1985, currently they share the same LS1
>> > engine, same 6 speed tranny, same chassis, sure there was more variation
>> > in the 80's but just look at them, same platform... lots of parts that
>> > are the same.
>
>

 

Lol. I knew it was one of those old people cars.

Earle

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:VsOdnWphm-0l2qSiXTWJhQ@comcast.com...
> I thought the first big flap was putting the Chev 350 blocks into
> the Olds when they ran out. There was a big class action lawsuit
> from it, mostly based on the old Oldsmobile advertising for their
> "positive valve rotation" that was claimed to prolong the life
> of engine valves compared to engines without it. Dimly recall
> that the result of the lawsuit to buyers was mostly discount
> certificates.... one discount on a new Olds if you win the
> lawsuit, *two* discount certificates on a new Olds if you
> *lose* the lawsuit.
>
>
> Approximately 8/12/03 06:44, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Remember the first time GM put Chevrolet engines in Buicks and Pontiacs
> > because of a shortage? ---- hit the fan after that.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F387EE3.3D481C92@***.net...
> >> You wrote, "basically the same cars for most of their history"
> >> which tells me you weren't even born when they rolled off the assembly
> >> line. Just open any auto repair book. And just in case you see the
> >> Firebird 400", it's not the Chevy small block.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Simon Juncal wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The muscle car era wasn't 1985, currently they share the same LS1
> >> > engine, same 6 speed tranny, same chassis, sure there was more
variation
> >> > in the 80's but just look at them, same platform... lots of parts
that
> >> > are the same.
> >
> >
>

 

Hey now! How dare you, I'll have you know that *my dad*
always drove Oldsmobiles...and...uhhh, yeah, well, uhhh,
never mind....

Approximately 8/12/03 13:51, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:

> Lol. I knew it was one of those old people cars.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:VsOdnWphm-0l2qSiXTWJhQ@comcast.com...
>> I thought the first big flap was putting the Chev 350 blocks into
>> the Olds when they ran out. There was a big class action lawsuit
>> from it, mostly based on the old Oldsmobile advertising for their
>> "positive valve rotation" that was claimed to prolong the life
>> of engine valves compared to engines without it. Dimly recall
>> that the result of the lawsuit to buyers was mostly discount
>> certificates.... one discount on a new Olds if you win the
>> lawsuit, *two* discount certificates on a new Olds if you
>> *lose* the lawsuit.
>>
>>
>> Approximately 8/12/03 06:44, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>>
>> > Remember the first time GM put Chevrolet engines in Buicks and Pontiacs
>> > because of a shortage? ---- hit the fan after that.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:3F387EE3.3D481C92@***.net...
>> >> You wrote, "basically the same cars for most of their history"
>> >> which tells me you weren't even born when they rolled off the assembly
>> >> line. Just open any auto repair book. And just in case you see the
>> >> Firebird 400", it's not the Chevy small block.
>> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Simon Juncal wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > The muscle car era wasn't 1985, currently they share the same LS1
>> >> > engine, same 6 speed tranny, same chassis, sure there was more
> variation
>> >> > in the 80's but just look at them, same platform... lots of parts
> that
>> >> > are the same.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>