4 cyl Jeep?
#41
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
I saw another post about the 4 banger and regearing. I run 33's and 4.88s.
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
#42
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
I saw another post about the 4 banger and regearing. I run 33's and 4.88s.
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
I saw another post about the 4 banger and regearing. I run 33's and 4.88s.
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
The gears made all the difference. I can do 70 mph on the highway without
any issues. Major winds or big hills still pose a challenge, but off-road I
haven't seen a difference. Most folks assume I have the 6. I'm not sure
why, though, it isn't like crawling would be that much different...
Eric
99 TJ SE
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AC0FD0.F20FA7C@sympatico.ca...
>I don't know if you have seen my photo albums from wheeling here in
> Ontario, but I have wheeled with a bunch of 4 bangers and I never knew
> the difference until I was told about it by the owner. The for sure had
> no issues 'keeping up' or going any place the rest of us went.
>
> There is one album link in my sig line and if you just go to the bottom
> of the view page, you will see links to a mess more albums.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Dan Hoskin wrote:
>>
>> What does eveybody think of the 4 cyl. 2.5 L powerplant? I have seen a
>> lot
>> of good looking Jeeps lately that are exactly what I am after, except the
>> 4-banger. Am I being to hard on a good motor, or is a 4 cyl. to light for
>> a
>> Jeep? I am not looking for a serious off-roader, but I do want to be able
>> to
>> dump three people, gear and a dog in it and drive to hunt camp 350 km
>> away
>> through the Ontario snow.....
>> What about options like aftermarket carbs and exhaust systems to tweak
>> the 4
>> bangers? Any magazines and catalogs I have seen ignore them completely.
>> Are
>> they out there or are they not worth doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Hoskin
#44
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig. I drove a diesel
("dyayssel" en espaņol) Golf from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Madrid, and I was very
impressed. The accelerator response was almost as good as a gasoline
engine, the torque curve appeared to be very wide, low rpm response was
excellent, the noise of the dyayssel was hardly noticeable, and there was no
detectable odor standing outside the vehicle with the engine running.
Eighteen Euros worth of "gasoleo" to get from Vitoria to Madrid isn't bad
either. If you want to put a dyayssel into a Jeep or any vehicle which will
see road service, then use something which is designed for road service.
The small block Chevy is readily available in new, rebuild or recycled, for
less than half the price of any of the alternatives you have mentioned. You
put gasoline into it, and you get reliable horsepower and torque out,
without breaking the bank. Complaining about its well known shortcomings is
like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I like the four cylinder Jeep engines, especially the late nineties pre
overhead cam variety. The MPI gives decent throttle response, but with four
adult passengers you may have some regrets. I get along with mine just
fine. I could rip it out and maybe get slightly better fuel economy with a
ten thousand dollar dyayssel from a Mercedes or Volkswagen, but why?
Earle
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135560793.206343.65020@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > ok, ignoring the fact you are sniping at Bill, what's wrong with the
small
> > block Chevy ? I assume a big block anything in a Jeep would be too
heavy.
> > What would you put in ?
> >
> > Dave
>
> The simplest swap is the AMC six, I would depending on the exact
> vehicle and the puropse you want to use it for, look at several other
> gas engines but I think the smallblock Chevy is overrated in a lot of
> ways. Now that unfortunately fuel prices have dropped in the US a
> diesel is less attractive economically, but I like them anyway. Isuzu,
> Mitsubishi or Nissan are the main choices here. The A-series Cummins
> (the revamped six cylinder they got from Onan) is still not 100%
> reliable and the OM617 Benz- a super hell for stout engine and common
> in the States-has an oil pan right where the front axle needs to be-
> and the oil pump is in the bottom. Deutz is also a possibility if you
> don't mind the noise and no heating from coolant.
>
#47
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Earle Horton wrote:
> Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
> site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig.
Well, I've done major repairs to them. There were on-road applications
for Deutzes in the US and many more in Europe, but the US distributor
has chosen to pretend there are not.
The latest Deutzes are liquid cooled because of increasingly ****-like
emissions regulations world wide and because efficiency on liquid
cooled engines is better. They will probably die out shortly because
their separate crankcase and cylinder technology has higher build cost.
A Deutz in a Jeep has novelty value and you would, if you used the
air-cooled one (which is still available new and will be for as long as
Deutz remains in business, for specialized and non-regulated markets)
never have to worry about radiator problems.
#48
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Earle Horton wrote:
> Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
> site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig.
Well, I've done major repairs to them. There were on-road applications
for Deutzes in the US and many more in Europe, but the US distributor
has chosen to pretend there are not.
The latest Deutzes are liquid cooled because of increasingly ****-like
emissions regulations world wide and because efficiency on liquid
cooled engines is better. They will probably die out shortly because
their separate crankcase and cylinder technology has higher build cost.
A Deutz in a Jeep has novelty value and you would, if you used the
air-cooled one (which is still available new and will be for as long as
Deutz remains in business, for specialized and non-regulated markets)
never have to worry about radiator problems.
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
Earle Horton wrote:
> Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on their web
> site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig.
Well, I've done major repairs to them. There were on-road applications
for Deutzes in the US and many more in Europe, but the US distributor
has chosen to pretend there are not.
The latest Deutzes are liquid cooled because of increasingly ****-like
emissions regulations world wide and because efficiency on liquid
cooled engines is better. They will probably die out shortly because
their separate crankcase and cylinder technology has higher build cost.
A Deutz in a Jeep has novelty value and you would, if you used the
air-cooled one (which is still available new and will be for as long as
Deutz remains in business, for specialized and non-regulated markets)
never have to worry about radiator problems.
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Re: 4 cyl Jeep?
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on
> > their web site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig.
>
--snippy--
>
> A Deutz in a Jeep has novelty value and you would, if you used the
> air-cooled one (which is still available new and will be for as long as
> Deutz remains in business, for specialized and non-regulated markets)
> never have to worry about radiator problems.
>
I have worked on and even owned air-cooled vehicles. Radiator problems
aren't so bad. On the other hand, noise, air leaks, dirt and oil as a
source of reduced cooling efficiency, and cab heating with contaminated air
all come to mind. We found out with Volkswagen Beetles and Vans, that air
cooling efficiency during road use is heavily, heavily dependent on vehicle
aerodynamics and can even be affected by something as seemingly innocuous as
opening a window. For crawling, your cooling needs would be a serious
horsepower drain. This is because at low engine speed any deficiencies in
the engine cooling system, such as cylinder or head "hot spots", become
painfully apparent. You have to compensate, by grossly oversizing the fan
and duct work. Liquid cooling concentrates the heat exchange area and
thereby solves more problems than it creates.
Earle
news:1135635882.661141.164610@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Deutz makes liquid cooled engines too. I figure since I looked on
> > their web site once, I know at least as much about it as Ludwig.
>
--snippy--
>
> A Deutz in a Jeep has novelty value and you would, if you used the
> air-cooled one (which is still available new and will be for as long as
> Deutz remains in business, for specialized and non-regulated markets)
> never have to worry about radiator problems.
>
I have worked on and even owned air-cooled vehicles. Radiator problems
aren't so bad. On the other hand, noise, air leaks, dirt and oil as a
source of reduced cooling efficiency, and cab heating with contaminated air
all come to mind. We found out with Volkswagen Beetles and Vans, that air
cooling efficiency during road use is heavily, heavily dependent on vehicle
aerodynamics and can even be affected by something as seemingly innocuous as
opening a window. For crawling, your cooling needs would be a serious
horsepower drain. This is because at low engine speed any deficiencies in
the engine cooling system, such as cylinder or head "hot spots", become
painfully apparent. You have to compensate, by grossly oversizing the fan
and duct work. Liquid cooling concentrates the heat exchange area and
thereby solves more problems than it creates.
Earle