4 banger starter/electrical issues
08-19-2004, 12:58 AM
#41
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Mike;
I don't think my TJ has that one! Just the relay in the PCM box on the
passenger side fender. That one I replaced!
Thanks;
Mike B
98 TJ SE
Mike Romain wrote:
>What about the small one on the firewall where the 1st red battery cable
>stops at? If you have that, it is for sure suspect for a burn and weld
>contact...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>GzrGlide wrote:
>
>
>>Nope!
>>Solenoid is part of the starter ( I wish it was the external ford type)
>>so when I replaced the starter with the new one, the solenoid was
>>replaced as well.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You still have a problem with your starter solenoid, replace it.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>GzrGlide wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well after replacing the starter with the new lifetime warrantied
>>>>starter, it still didn't work.
>>>>Went and bought a new relay, still no change.
>>>>Checked all the grounds and cleaned them all again. Still no change.
>>>>Took the starter out, left it connected to it's power source, and had
>>>>my wife start it while I watched the starter. Nothing.
>>>>Took the starter and battery out and had them load tested.
>>>>Both tested ok.
>>>>Now I was pissed!
>>>>
>>>>I decided to do a voltage drop test between the post and clamp on the
>>>>battery. BINGO! Power at the post, but hardly any at the clamp.
>>>>Cleaned the battery connections again (did that just before we went on
>>>>holidays), and that fixed the problem! Yahoo.....until....
>>>>
>>>>Friday night we're leaving a friends place and the starter is making a
>>>>horrible noise. Thought it didn't dis-engage from the flywheel, so I
>>>>shut the motor off thinking that that the starter would disengage.
>>>>Nope! The starter is still humming away like a bat out of hell. Before
>>>>I could get to the battery to disconnect the power source, the starter
>>>>went "ping" and died. That thing got so hot it discolored the case!
>>>>Very ugly!
>>>>Called the parts store and they tell that not only can they not get me
>>>>a new one till Monday, but that the computer says they don't carry
>>>>them anymore!!!!! That doesn't help me, since the jp is our only
>>>>running 4 wheeled transportation.
>>>>
>>>>I ended up push starting the jp, and spending Saturday morning looking
>>>>for a new starter. Finally found one and all is well again.
>>>>
>>>>But now I have to go back to Parts Source and resolve this starter and
>>>>"non-honouring" warranty issue!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
I don't think my TJ has that one! Just the relay in the PCM box on the
passenger side fender. That one I replaced!
Thanks;
Mike B
98 TJ SE
Mike Romain wrote:
>What about the small one on the firewall where the 1st red battery cable
>stops at? If you have that, it is for sure suspect for a burn and weld
>contact...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>GzrGlide wrote:
>
>
>>Nope!
>>Solenoid is part of the starter ( I wish it was the external ford type)
>>so when I replaced the starter with the new one, the solenoid was
>>replaced as well.
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You still have a problem with your starter solenoid, replace it.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>GzrGlide wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well after replacing the starter with the new lifetime warrantied
>>>>starter, it still didn't work.
>>>>Went and bought a new relay, still no change.
>>>>Checked all the grounds and cleaned them all again. Still no change.
>>>>Took the starter out, left it connected to it's power source, and had
>>>>my wife start it while I watched the starter. Nothing.
>>>>Took the starter and battery out and had them load tested.
>>>>Both tested ok.
>>>>Now I was pissed!
>>>>
>>>>I decided to do a voltage drop test between the post and clamp on the
>>>>battery. BINGO! Power at the post, but hardly any at the clamp.
>>>>Cleaned the battery connections again (did that just before we went on
>>>>holidays), and that fixed the problem! Yahoo.....until....
>>>>
>>>>Friday night we're leaving a friends place and the starter is making a
>>>>horrible noise. Thought it didn't dis-engage from the flywheel, so I
>>>>shut the motor off thinking that that the starter would disengage.
>>>>Nope! The starter is still humming away like a bat out of hell. Before
>>>>I could get to the battery to disconnect the power source, the starter
>>>>went "ping" and died. That thing got so hot it discolored the case!
>>>>Very ugly!
>>>>Called the parts store and they tell that not only can they not get me
>>>>a new one till Monday, but that the computer says they don't carry
>>>>them anymore!!!!! That doesn't help me, since the jp is our only
>>>>running 4 wheeled transportation.
>>>>
>>>>I ended up push starting the jp, and spending Saturday morning looking
>>>>for a new starter. Finally found one and all is well again.
>>>>
>>>>But now I have to go back to Parts Source and resolve this starter and
>>>>"non-honouring" warranty issue!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
08-19-2004, 01:00 AM
#42
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Hey Wally;
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
08-19-2004, 01:00 AM
#43
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Hey Wally;
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
08-19-2004, 01:00 AM
#44
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Hey Wally;
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
08-19-2004, 01:00 AM
#45
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Hey Wally;
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:04:26 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I had to look too, turns out they changed it to a little relay like
>>we would use for auxiliary lights:
>>http://www.----------.com/TJstarterRelay.pdf
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:--------------------
>>
>>
>
>Them things are cheap...he ought to change it too. They're only rated
>at 30 amps...I bet he didn't do it any good when the started melted
>down.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>
08-19-2004, 05:34 AM
#46
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:50 -0500, GzrGlide <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
08-19-2004, 05:34 AM
#47
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:50 -0500, GzrGlide <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
08-19-2004, 05:34 AM
#48
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:50 -0500, GzrGlide <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
08-19-2004, 05:34 AM
#49
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:50 -0500, GzrGlide <GzrGlide02@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>Hey Wally;
>
>I've changed that relay every time I put a new starter in. Not exactly
>cheap though. $13 at the dealer!
>
>Mike
>
I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
08-22-2004, 09:36 PM
#50
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Re: 4 banger starter/electrical issues
Thanks for the offer Wally, but it's not necessary. I put a new one in
and have a spare in case it ever happens again!
Mike
Old Crow wrote:
>I'll have to look. I might have some that I can send you. Every time
>we have to change out an "electrical center" at work, the new one
>comes with all the fuses and relays installed. Of course the fuses
>and relays out of the old one go in my tool box before the old fuse
>box goes in the trash. I guess your '98 would probably be the same as
>my boy's '02 as far as that goes.
>
>--
>Old Crow
>'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
>'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
>ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
>TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
>
>