Bryan S

They do have to repair their rigs from time to time, but not from broken
bolts or spacers due to body lifts, and since two of the guys are mechanics
the "trail breaks" are fixed right where they happened. In fact I don't
remember a time when they have ever had a problem with the body lifts. These
rigs are towed most of the time, due to the long distance we have to travel,
plus it would not be practical to drive the rigs those long distances. These
rigs are not worried about a fender-bender, for that matter, if they were
you would not see them on half of the trails we ride. I do realize the
safety issues with a daily driver and a large body lift. Now on the other
hand I own a Jeep and a rock crawler and so far have refused to put a body
lift on either because I do not like the way a tall body lift looks. This is
just my opinion on the type of uses a vehicle with a body lift is intended
for.

Bryan S

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:410E576B.A6254DBC@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree with Jerry and I have even helped 'lower' Jeeps that the
> owner mistakenly put a 3" body lift on. I cut the suckers in half and
> used the halfs to lift another Jeep 1.5".
>
> The folks you are talking about have toys that they have to rebuild or
> repair after every run.
>
> Most Jeepers here actually drive their Jeeps I think. Some are 'trailer
> queens' but not most.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bryan S wrote:
> >
> > Jerry, I disagree with your statement <few experienced Jeepers will
> > ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for a Jeep.>
Three of
> > the guys I go rock crawling with have heavily modified jeeps and all of
them
> > have either 2" or 3" body lifts. These jeeps have 350s, 14 bolt rear,
Dana
> > 60 front, 44" Swampers on one and 42" Swampers on the other two. These
guys
> > are very experienced, i.e. about four months ago the guy that bought Ken
> > Shupe's rig that won the EROC division only got half as far as these
guys on
> > the same trail before winching out. If you know anything about rock
crawling
> > you know that the rig mentioned is very capable, it all came down to the
> > drivers ability. Now on the other hand a 3" body lift for a daily
driver...
> > well that would not be recommended by most people, at least not on a
Jeep.
> >
> > Bryan S
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:ToaPc.13522$Xn.2998@fed1read05...
> > > The very LAST thing I would ever install on a Jeep is a 3" body lift.
1"
> > is
> > > fine, 2" if it's really necessary... but never a 3" body lift. Not
only
> > do
> > > they just look lame, that tall of a body lift can cause severe damage
to
> > the
> > > frame and/or body mounts in even a minor fender-bender. Few
experienced
> > > Jeepers will ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod
for a
> > > Jeep.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "dilla1986" <dilla1986@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > > news:UojMc.5134$Hz7.126@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > i have an '83 cj-7 on a 4 inch suspension lift. i was wanting to
put a
> > 3
> > > > inch body lift on as well but i am concerned for any "hidden costs"
that
> > > may
> > > > occur after this is done, such as extending the brake lines or any
other
> > > > alterations that may be necessary. if you know about any and all
> > > > modifications that would be needed please advise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

CRWLR

I agree with Jerry. Your cite is a rare case where the fabricator probably
added stuff that would eliminate the shortcomings that Jerry was talking
about.

When the 3" lift is a bolt-on affair, it is extremely weak and prone to
leverage that can rip the body mount bolts right out. If the body is off the
frame, and new mounts are added that are 3" higher, then the body is dropped
back on so the bolts are stock length, thin the 3" lift should work our very
well. This is the kind of lift that your heavily modified buddies might
have, but this is not the type of life that the OP was asking about.



"Bryan S" <bryan.shaver@qgdotcom> wrote in message
news:410e536e$1@news.qgraph.com...
> Jerry, I disagree with your statement <few experienced Jeepers will
> ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for a Jeep.> Three
of
> the guys I go rock crawling with have heavily modified jeeps and all of
them
> have either 2" or 3" body lifts. These jeeps have 350s, 14 bolt rear, Dana
> 60 front, 44" Swampers on one and 42" Swampers on the other two. These
guys
> are very experienced, i.e. about four months ago the guy that bought Ken
> Shupe's rig that won the EROC division only got half as far as these guys
on
> the same trail before winching out. If you know anything about rock
crawling
> you know that the rig mentioned is very capable, it all came down to the
> drivers ability. Now on the other hand a 3" body lift for a daily
driver...
> well that would not be recommended by most people, at least not on a Jeep.
>
> Bryan S
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ToaPc.13522$Xn.2998@fed1read05...
> > The very LAST thing I would ever install on a Jeep is a 3" body lift.
1"
> is
> > fine, 2" if it's really necessary... but never a 3" body lift. Not only
> do
> > they just look lame, that tall of a body lift can cause severe damage to
> the
> > frame and/or body mounts in even a minor fender-bender. Few experienced
> > Jeepers will ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for
a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "dilla1986" <dilla1986@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:UojMc.5134$Hz7.126@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > i have an '83 cj-7 on a 4 inch suspension lift. i was wanting to put
a
> 3
> > > inch body lift on as well but i am concerned for any "hidden costs"
that
> > may
> > > occur after this is done, such as extending the brake lines or any
other
> > > alterations that may be necessary. if you know about any and all
> > > modifications that would be needed please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

I agree with Jerry. Your cite is a rare case where the fabricator probably
added stuff that would eliminate the shortcomings that Jerry was talking
about.

When the 3" lift is a bolt-on affair, it is extremely weak and prone to
leverage that can rip the body mount bolts right out. If the body is off the
frame, and new mounts are added that are 3" higher, then the body is dropped
back on so the bolts are stock length, thin the 3" lift should work our very
well. This is the kind of lift that your heavily modified buddies might
have, but this is not the type of life that the OP was asking about.



"Bryan S" <bryan.shaver@qgdotcom> wrote in message
news:410e536e$1@news.qgraph.com...
> Jerry, I disagree with your statement <few experienced Jeepers will
> ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for a Jeep.> Three
of
> the guys I go rock crawling with have heavily modified jeeps and all of
them
> have either 2" or 3" body lifts. These jeeps have 350s, 14 bolt rear, Dana
> 60 front, 44" Swampers on one and 42" Swampers on the other two. These
guys
> are very experienced, i.e. about four months ago the guy that bought Ken
> Shupe's rig that won the EROC division only got half as far as these guys
on
> the same trail before winching out. If you know anything about rock
crawling
> you know that the rig mentioned is very capable, it all came down to the
> drivers ability. Now on the other hand a 3" body lift for a daily
driver...
> well that would not be recommended by most people, at least not on a Jeep.
>
> Bryan S
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ToaPc.13522$Xn.2998@fed1read05...
> > The very LAST thing I would ever install on a Jeep is a 3" body lift.
1"
> is
> > fine, 2" if it's really necessary... but never a 3" body lift. Not only
> do
> > they just look lame, that tall of a body lift can cause severe damage to
> the
> > frame and/or body mounts in even a minor fender-bender. Few experienced
> > Jeepers will ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for
a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "dilla1986" <dilla1986@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:UojMc.5134$Hz7.126@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > i have an '83 cj-7 on a 4 inch suspension lift. i was wanting to put
a
> 3
> > > inch body lift on as well but i am concerned for any "hidden costs"
that
> > may
> > > occur after this is done, such as extending the brake lines or any
other
> > > alterations that may be necessary. if you know about any and all
> > > modifications that would be needed please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

I agree with Jerry. Your cite is a rare case where the fabricator probably
added stuff that would eliminate the shortcomings that Jerry was talking
about.

When the 3" lift is a bolt-on affair, it is extremely weak and prone to
leverage that can rip the body mount bolts right out. If the body is off the
frame, and new mounts are added that are 3" higher, then the body is dropped
back on so the bolts are stock length, thin the 3" lift should work our very
well. This is the kind of lift that your heavily modified buddies might
have, but this is not the type of life that the OP was asking about.



"Bryan S" <bryan.shaver@qgdotcom> wrote in message
news:410e536e$1@news.qgraph.com...
> Jerry, I disagree with your statement <few experienced Jeepers will
> ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for a Jeep.> Three
of
> the guys I go rock crawling with have heavily modified jeeps and all of
them
> have either 2" or 3" body lifts. These jeeps have 350s, 14 bolt rear, Dana
> 60 front, 44" Swampers on one and 42" Swampers on the other two. These
guys
> are very experienced, i.e. about four months ago the guy that bought Ken
> Shupe's rig that won the EROC division only got half as far as these guys
on
> the same trail before winching out. If you know anything about rock
crawling
> you know that the rig mentioned is very capable, it all came down to the
> drivers ability. Now on the other hand a 3" body lift for a daily
driver...
> well that would not be recommended by most people, at least not on a Jeep.
>
> Bryan S
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ToaPc.13522$Xn.2998@fed1read05...
> > The very LAST thing I would ever install on a Jeep is a 3" body lift.
1"
> is
> > fine, 2" if it's really necessary... but never a 3" body lift. Not only
> do
> > they just look lame, that tall of a body lift can cause severe damage to
> the
> > frame and/or body mounts in even a minor fender-bender. Few experienced
> > Jeepers will ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for
a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "dilla1986" <dilla1986@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:UojMc.5134$Hz7.126@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > i have an '83 cj-7 on a 4 inch suspension lift. i was wanting to put
a
> 3
> > > inch body lift on as well but i am concerned for any "hidden costs"
that
> > may
> > > occur after this is done, such as extending the brake lines or any
other
> > > alterations that may be necessary. if you know about any and all
> > > modifications that would be needed please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

I agree with Jerry. Your cite is a rare case where the fabricator probably
added stuff that would eliminate the shortcomings that Jerry was talking
about.

When the 3" lift is a bolt-on affair, it is extremely weak and prone to
leverage that can rip the body mount bolts right out. If the body is off the
frame, and new mounts are added that are 3" higher, then the body is dropped
back on so the bolts are stock length, thin the 3" lift should work our very
well. This is the kind of lift that your heavily modified buddies might
have, but this is not the type of life that the OP was asking about.



"Bryan S" <bryan.shaver@qgdotcom> wrote in message
news:410e536e$1@news.qgraph.com...
> Jerry, I disagree with your statement <few experienced Jeepers will
> ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for a Jeep.> Three
of
> the guys I go rock crawling with have heavily modified jeeps and all of
them
> have either 2" or 3" body lifts. These jeeps have 350s, 14 bolt rear, Dana
> 60 front, 44" Swampers on one and 42" Swampers on the other two. These
guys
> are very experienced, i.e. about four months ago the guy that bought Ken
> Shupe's rig that won the EROC division only got half as far as these guys
on
> the same trail before winching out. If you know anything about rock
crawling
> you know that the rig mentioned is very capable, it all came down to the
> drivers ability. Now on the other hand a 3" body lift for a daily
driver...
> well that would not be recommended by most people, at least not on a Jeep.
>
> Bryan S
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ToaPc.13522$Xn.2998@fed1read05...
> > The very LAST thing I would ever install on a Jeep is a 3" body lift.
1"
> is
> > fine, 2" if it's really necessary... but never a 3" body lift. Not only
> do
> > they just look lame, that tall of a body lift can cause severe damage to
> the
> > frame and/or body mounts in even a minor fender-bender. Few experienced
> > Jeepers will ever, if ever at all, say a 3" body lift is a good mod for
a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > "dilla1986" <dilla1986@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:UojMc.5134$Hz7.126@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > i have an '83 cj-7 on a 4 inch suspension lift. i was wanting to put
a
> 3
> > > inch body lift on as well but i am concerned for any "hidden costs"
that
> > may
> > > occur after this is done, such as extending the brake lines or any
other
> > > alterations that may be necessary. if you know about any and all
> > > modifications that would be needed please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Agreed, I like to use picture because they usually are worth a
thousand words, but a body lift is just one word, lame:
http://www.----------.com/lamePuck.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bryan S wrote:
>
> They do have to repair their rigs from time to time, but not from broken
> bolts or spacers due to body lifts, and since two of the guys are mechanics
> the "trail breaks" are fixed right where they happened. In fact I don't
> remember a time when they have ever had a problem with the body lifts. These
> rigs are towed most of the time, due to the long distance we have to travel,
> plus it would not be practical to drive the rigs those long distances. These
> rigs are not worried about a fender-bender, for that matter, if they were
> you would not see them on half of the trails we ride. I do realize the
> safety issues with a daily driver and a large body lift. Now on the other
> hand I own a Jeep and a rock crawler and so far have refused to put a body
> lift on either because I do not like the way a tall body lift looks. This is
> just my opinion on the type of uses a vehicle with a body lift is intended
> for.
>
> Bryan S

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Agreed, I like to use picture because they usually are worth a
thousand words, but a body lift is just one word, lame:
http://www.----------.com/lamePuck.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bryan S wrote:
>
> They do have to repair their rigs from time to time, but not from broken
> bolts or spacers due to body lifts, and since two of the guys are mechanics
> the "trail breaks" are fixed right where they happened. In fact I don't
> remember a time when they have ever had a problem with the body lifts. These
> rigs are towed most of the time, due to the long distance we have to travel,
> plus it would not be practical to drive the rigs those long distances. These
> rigs are not worried about a fender-bender, for that matter, if they were
> you would not see them on half of the trails we ride. I do realize the
> safety issues with a daily driver and a large body lift. Now on the other
> hand I own a Jeep and a rock crawler and so far have refused to put a body
> lift on either because I do not like the way a tall body lift looks. This is
> just my opinion on the type of uses a vehicle with a body lift is intended
> for.
>
> Bryan S

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Agreed, I like to use picture because they usually are worth a
thousand words, but a body lift is just one word, lame:
http://www.----------.com/lamePuck.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bryan S wrote:
>
> They do have to repair their rigs from time to time, but not from broken
> bolts or spacers due to body lifts, and since two of the guys are mechanics
> the "trail breaks" are fixed right where they happened. In fact I don't
> remember a time when they have ever had a problem with the body lifts. These
> rigs are towed most of the time, due to the long distance we have to travel,
> plus it would not be practical to drive the rigs those long distances. These
> rigs are not worried about a fender-bender, for that matter, if they were
> you would not see them on half of the trails we ride. I do realize the
> safety issues with a daily driver and a large body lift. Now on the other
> hand I own a Jeep and a rock crawler and so far have refused to put a body
> lift on either because I do not like the way a tall body lift looks. This is
> just my opinion on the type of uses a vehicle with a body lift is intended
> for.
>
> Bryan S

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Agreed, I like to use picture because they usually are worth a
thousand words, but a body lift is just one word, lame:
http://www.----------.com/lamePuck.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bryan S wrote:
>
> They do have to repair their rigs from time to time, but not from broken
> bolts or spacers due to body lifts, and since two of the guys are mechanics
> the "trail breaks" are fixed right where they happened. In fact I don't
> remember a time when they have ever had a problem with the body lifts. These
> rigs are towed most of the time, due to the long distance we have to travel,
> plus it would not be practical to drive the rigs those long distances. These
> rigs are not worried about a fender-bender, for that matter, if they were
> you would not see them on half of the trails we ride. I do realize the
> safety issues with a daily driver and a large body lift. Now on the other
> hand I own a Jeep and a rock crawler and so far have refused to put a body
> lift on either because I do not like the way a tall body lift looks. This is
> just my opinion on the type of uses a vehicle with a body lift is intended
> for.
>
> Bryan S