26 below zero
01-31-2004, 12:05 PM
#11
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Re: 26 below zero
>and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
01-31-2004, 12:05 PM
#12
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Re: 26 below zero
>and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
01-31-2004, 12:05 PM
#13
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Re: 26 below zero
>and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
>push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
Personally I'd be concerned about why the clutch was so hard to push
in.. The past two weeks it's been hitting well below -40 with
windchills well below that.. Normally I use underground heated
parking, but while visting a friend for two days I was forced to park
outside without plugging in the block heater.. Not only did it fire
right up in only a few seconds, but the clutch went in with almost no
effort at all.. Short of the clutch and brake fluids the dealer
swapped out the other fluids for synthetics that are ment for the
ambient air temp...It just doesn't start so well with the stock
10w30....
01-31-2004, 12:08 PM
#14
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Re: 26 below zero
Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just run the
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
01-31-2004, 12:08 PM
#15
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Re: 26 below zero
Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just run the
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
01-31-2004, 12:08 PM
#16
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Re: 26 below zero
Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just run the
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I dunno how you
folks stand it :)
--
Skip
"Steve G" <NospamforSteve@Steve-Garner.com> wrote in message
news:gBQSb.341908$JQ1.223462@pd7tw1no...
> That's unfortunate.
> Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're
just
> been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
> consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
> them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
> thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
> electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
> without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
> happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher
numbers
> of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
> Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
> off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
> When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
> light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
> pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the
crank
> and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
> molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
> proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
> couple of times. More damage.
> If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
> heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
> filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
> momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will
wonder
> why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
> 175,000.
> Steve
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>
01-31-2004, 02:05 PM
#17
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Re: 26 below zero
On 31 Jan 2004 08:08 AM, posted the following:
> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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01-31-2004, 02:05 PM
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Re: 26 below zero
On 31 Jan 2004 08:08 AM, posted the following:
> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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Re: 26 below zero
On 31 Jan 2004 08:08 AM, posted the following:
> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
> dunno how you folks stand it :)
Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
better way. Behold the Electroplate:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
This is the Mark II version installed on my '73 Chevy truck. If there
are any Fairbanks residents here, they may be aware that a version is/
was produced for sale there. What is less commonly known, is that I
drove my S-10 around Fairbanks for a good 2-3 years with the Mark I
installed before those guys ever got started. Fairbanks isn't that big
of a place and lots of people I came into contact with thought it was a
good idea. I'm not necessarily saying that they copied it 'cause if I
came up with it, somebody else could have too. 8^)
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01-31-2004, 03:19 PM
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Re: 26 below zero
Del Rawlins did pass the time by typing:
> On 31 Jan 2004 08:08 AM, posted the following:
>> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
>> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
>> dunno how you folks stand it :)
>
> Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
> rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
> and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
> various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
> without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
> better way. Behold the Electroplate:
>
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
Try one of these.
http://www.jacksretail.com/autoextensioncords.shtml
just with the ends switched around.
--
DougW
> On 31 Jan 2004 08:08 AM, posted the following:
>> Yep... I've heard that a block heater is a must up there. Folks just
>> run the cord out the grille and leave it that way in the winter.I
>> dunno how you folks stand it :)
>
> Well, some of them wrap it around the bumper, some bolt a cleat to their
> rig, and I have actually seen people in Fairbanks drape it over the hood
> and wrap it around the passenger side door mirror. I have examined the
> various common means of vehicular cord storage and found them to be,
> without exception, low class techniques. Fortunately, I have devised a
> better way. Behold the Electroplate:
>
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/plate.jpg
Try one of these.
http://www.jacksretail.com/autoextensioncords.shtml
just with the ends switched around.
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DougW
