Matt Osborn

and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

Guest

Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
master cyl seals after that much effort...

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"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

Guest

Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
master cyl seals after that much effort...

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"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

Guest

Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
master cyl seals after that much effort...

--
Skip


"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

bowgus

Way back when I worked in colder climates, I'd start the vehicle, go for a
coffee, and let the vehicle warm up sometimes for a 1/2 hour and sometimes
longer to let the engine heat make its way to other parts such as the
transmission, hydraulics. Diesels of course just idled 24/7 :-)


<Skip> wrote in message news:bverc202gcp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
> master cyl seals after that much effort...
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>

bowgus

Way back when I worked in colder climates, I'd start the vehicle, go for a
coffee, and let the vehicle warm up sometimes for a 1/2 hour and sometimes
longer to let the engine heat make its way to other parts such as the
transmission, hydraulics. Diesels of course just idled 24/7 :-)


<Skip> wrote in message news:bverc202gcp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
> master cyl seals after that much effort...
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>

bowgus

Way back when I worked in colder climates, I'd start the vehicle, go for a
coffee, and let the vehicle warm up sometimes for a 1/2 hour and sometimes
longer to let the engine heat make its way to other parts such as the
transmission, hydraulics. Diesels of course just idled 24/7 :-)


<Skip> wrote in message news:bverc202gcp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Why can't all cars work like a jeep lol? Man I wonder about the clutch
> master cyl seals after that much effort...
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
> "Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
> >
> > and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> > push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.
>
>

Steve G

That's unfortunate.
Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're just
been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher numbers
of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the crank
and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
couple of times. More damage.
If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will wonder
why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
175,000.
Steve
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

Steve G

That's unfortunate.
Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're just
been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher numbers
of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the crank
and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
couple of times. More damage.
If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will wonder
why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
175,000.
Steve
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
>
> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.

Steve G

That's unfortunate.
Having been a mechanic in the frozen north for a long time where we're just
been through a week where the temp didn't rise above minus 30 and we had 2
consecutive overnight lows of -40 I can tell you that everytime you start
them without the aid of engine pre-heat with a block heater you take
thousands of miles off the life of the engine. In the days before
electronic fuel injection and ingnition, and computer controlled engine,
without being plugged in they just wouldn't start. Best thing that could
happen. After we saw cold starting improve we started to see higher numbers
of incidents of spun bearings and crankshaft failure from cold start.
Anybody that has ever started an engine at room temp with the valve cover
off can tell you how long it takes for the oil to get to the rocker arms.
When it's -30 it takes a hell of a lot longer. Even if the oil pressure
light is out or the gauge has started to climb it only means there's
pressure in the galley and to the sender, not necessarily between the crank
and bearing surfaces. That crank is running dry until it can pump that
molasses like oil into the bearings. And of course you're elated and
proud when it fires up and can't resist the urge to jazz the throttle a
couple of times. More damage.
If you keep that up yours will be the engine with the dull rapping sound
heard everytime you start it after changing the oil and filter until the
filter fills and pressure comes up. Eventually you'll be able to hear it
momentarily on every startup. You'll sell it and the next owner will wonder
why he's had to replace the engine at 120,000 miles and everyone else got
175,000.
Steve
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bsql10hfg17p7asv8ap3oed7reoc2pku5f@4ax.com...
>
> and my 2000 TJ fired right up (in a parking lot). It took both legs to
> push the clutch in, but after 40 miles, even that thawed out.