258 swap
09-16-2007, 10:41 PM
#21
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Re: 258 swap
On Sep 15, 1:01 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> CJ7 MrBeans wrote:
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Stock you only have about 1/2" clearance from the top back of the valve
> cover to the firewall. The engine does tilt back.
>
> I have the same setup in my 86.
>
> Could your body tub have shifted and not be bolted on right? This
> happens to mine now and then. I have to loosen off all the mount bolts
> and shift the tub back square.
>
> When square, the back of the tub should just overhang the rear cross
> member slightly I believe. That is where I have mine set which makes my
> clutch linkage set up right also.
>
> On mine, the firewall bottom is flush with the front frame mount's front.
>
> Does the drain hole on the D300 line up with the hole in the skid plate?
>
> Here is a photo of my tranny mount:
> http://www.imagestation.com/3118614/4186922377
>
> It goes in the last set of holes in the skid plate.
>
> I could take a photo of the mounts and put it up if you need.
>
> The mounts are drawn in the Haynes manual on page 2C-7.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello Mike-
Thanks for your reply. I included an ablum with pictures of the engine
chassis mounts, transmission mount, and a pic of how the engine is
tilted against the firewall. The Dana 300 drainhole does line up in
the skid plate and the Trans mount is in the last set of holes in the
crossmember. I'll need to check the sqareness of the body tub.
In the pics the larger of the two chassis mounts is used on the
passenger side and the smaller mount with the slit is being used on
the driver's side.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
If you don't mind taking a picture of your engine chassis mounts and
where they are bolted into the chassis that would be helpful.
Thanks again!
> CJ7 MrBeans wrote:
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Stock you only have about 1/2" clearance from the top back of the valve
> cover to the firewall. The engine does tilt back.
>
> I have the same setup in my 86.
>
> Could your body tub have shifted and not be bolted on right? This
> happens to mine now and then. I have to loosen off all the mount bolts
> and shift the tub back square.
>
> When square, the back of the tub should just overhang the rear cross
> member slightly I believe. That is where I have mine set which makes my
> clutch linkage set up right also.
>
> On mine, the firewall bottom is flush with the front frame mount's front.
>
> Does the drain hole on the D300 line up with the hole in the skid plate?
>
> Here is a photo of my tranny mount:
> http://www.imagestation.com/3118614/4186922377
>
> It goes in the last set of holes in the skid plate.
>
> I could take a photo of the mounts and put it up if you need.
>
> The mounts are drawn in the Haynes manual on page 2C-7.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello Mike-
Thanks for your reply. I included an ablum with pictures of the engine
chassis mounts, transmission mount, and a pic of how the engine is
tilted against the firewall. The Dana 300 drainhole does line up in
the skid plate and the Trans mount is in the last set of holes in the
crossmember. I'll need to check the sqareness of the body tub.
In the pics the larger of the two chassis mounts is used on the
passenger side and the smaller mount with the slit is being used on
the driver's side.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
If you don't mind taking a picture of your engine chassis mounts and
where they are bolted into the chassis that would be helpful.
Thanks again!
09-16-2007, 10:45 PM
#22
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Re: 258 swap
On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
09-16-2007, 10:45 PM
#23
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Re: 258 swap
On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
09-16-2007, 10:45 PM
#24
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Re: 258 swap
On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
09-16-2007, 10:45 PM
#25
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Re: 258 swap
On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all-
> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
> They will cause that problem.
>
> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>
> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello-
The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
09-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: 258 swap
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
>> They will cause that problem.
>>
>> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>>
>> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Hello-
> The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
> should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
Those look like the four cylinder mounts to me.
I'll get a closer look at mine tomorrow in the light.
Spdloader
09-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: 258 swap
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
>> They will cause that problem.
>>
>> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>>
>> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Hello-
> The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
> should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
Those look like the four cylinder mounts to me.
I'll get a closer look at mine tomorrow in the light.
Spdloader
09-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: 258 swap
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
>> They will cause that problem.
>>
>> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>>
>> Spdloader- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Hello-
> The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
> should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
Those look like the four cylinder mounts to me.
I'll get a closer look at mine tomorrow in the light.
Spdloader
09-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: 258 swap
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 15, 12:34 pm, "Spdloader" <askfo...@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> "CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189872526.339516.50750@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Are you re-using the motor mounts from the 4 cylinder?
>> They will cause that problem.
>>
>> You need the correct mounts for the 258 (4.2l).
>>
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>
> Hello-
> The 151 motor mounts were removed and I purchased some mounts that
> should be for the 258. Some pics included. Thanks for your comment.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
Those look like the four cylinder mounts to me.
I'll get a closer look at mine tomorrow in the light.
Spdloader
09-16-2007, 11:21 PM
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Re: 258 swap
I have a stripped 86 CJ frame in my garage right now, I can dig out mounts
and set them on and take a pic if you like, don't get much clearer then
that.
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 15, 1:01 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> CJ7 MrBeans wrote:
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Stock you only have about 1/2" clearance from the top back of the valve
>> cover to the firewall. The engine does tilt back.
>>
>> I have the same setup in my 86.
>>
>> Could your body tub have shifted and not be bolted on right? This
>> happens to mine now and then. I have to loosen off all the mount bolts
>> and shift the tub back square.
>>
>> When square, the back of the tub should just overhang the rear cross
>> member slightly I believe. That is where I have mine set which makes my
>> clutch linkage set up right also.
>>
>> On mine, the firewall bottom is flush with the front frame mount's front.
>>
>> Does the drain hole on the D300 line up with the hole in the skid plate?
>>
>> Here is a photo of my tranny mount:
>> http://www.imagestation.com/3118614/4186922377
>>
>> It goes in the last set of holes in the skid plate.
>>
>> I could take a photo of the mounts and put it up if you need.
>>
>> The mounts are drawn in the Haynes manual on page 2C-7.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted
>> text -
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>
> Hello Mike-
> Thanks for your reply. I included an ablum with pictures of the engine
> chassis mounts, transmission mount, and a pic of how the engine is
> tilted against the firewall. The Dana 300 drainhole does line up in
> the skid plate and the Trans mount is in the last set of holes in the
> crossmember. I'll need to check the sqareness of the body tub.
>
> In the pics the larger of the two chassis mounts is used on the
> passenger side and the smaller mount with the slit is being used on
> the driver's side.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
> If you don't mind taking a picture of your engine chassis mounts and
> where they are bolted into the chassis that would be helpful.
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
and set them on and take a pic if you like, don't get much clearer then
that.
"CJ7 MrBeans" <cjrini2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1189996891.507131.152680@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 15, 1:01 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> CJ7 MrBeans wrote:
>> > Hello all-
>> > Currently I am replacing a 151 wutg a 258 w/T5/Dana 300 into a CJ7 and
>> > seem to running into an issue. Once the Transmission was bolted onto
>> > the crossmember bracket and I came up to take a look it was apparent
>> > that the engine was tilted back, so much so the valve cover is resting
>> > against the back of the engine compartment. It seems that the engine
>> > needs to be lowered to the same plane as the Transmission however this
>> > is several inches. I have several thoughts such as 1) This Trans for
>> > some reason doesn't work with the 258 2) There may be another
>> > crossmember bracket that raised the TM/TC (not likely) 3)The chasis
>> > engine mount brackets are bolted in the wrong place/wrong sides of the
>> > chassis or I do not have the correct one2 (bought from reputable 4wd
>> > dealer and said they came from a CJ w/258). This is my first attempt
>> > at rebuilding and am certainly hoping that I made a novice mistake.
>> > Any guidance, pics of 258 chasiss engine mount brackets, would be
>> > extremely appreciated. Thank you!
>>
>> Stock you only have about 1/2" clearance from the top back of the valve
>> cover to the firewall. The engine does tilt back.
>>
>> I have the same setup in my 86.
>>
>> Could your body tub have shifted and not be bolted on right? This
>> happens to mine now and then. I have to loosen off all the mount bolts
>> and shift the tub back square.
>>
>> When square, the back of the tub should just overhang the rear cross
>> member slightly I believe. That is where I have mine set which makes my
>> clutch linkage set up right also.
>>
>> On mine, the firewall bottom is flush with the front frame mount's front.
>>
>> Does the drain hole on the D300 line up with the hole in the skid plate?
>>
>> Here is a photo of my tranny mount:
>> http://www.imagestation.com/3118614/4186922377
>>
>> It goes in the last set of holes in the skid plate.
>>
>> I could take a photo of the mounts and put it up if you need.
>>
>> The mounts are drawn in the Haynes manual on page 2C-7.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Hello Mike-
> Thanks for your reply. I included an ablum with pictures of the engine
> chassis mounts, transmission mount, and a pic of how the engine is
> tilted against the firewall. The Dana 300 drainhole does line up in
> the skid plate and the Trans mount is in the last set of holes in the
> crossmember. I'll need to check the sqareness of the body tub.
>
> In the pics the larger of the two chassis mounts is used on the
> passenger side and the smaller mount with the slit is being used on
> the driver's side.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2087492536
>
> If you don't mind taking a picture of your engine chassis mounts and
> where they are bolted into the chassis that would be helpful.
>
> Thanks again!
>
>