mabar

In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed auto
became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
definitely not available then.

Tom


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
snip
> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
> same.
>
>
>

mabar

In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed auto
became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
definitely not available then.

Tom


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:ZLqdnQb3Z4nDkKHYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
snip
> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
> same.
>
>
>

mabar

In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed auto
became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
definitely not available then.

Tom


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:ZLqdnQb3Z4nDkKHYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
snip
> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
> same.
>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

I stand corrected, it must have been '03, I remember it was the first year
the Rubicon came out.

I am half right, the 03's came out in late '02 :-)

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:453beadb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed
> auto
> became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
> definitely not available then.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:ZLqdnQb3Z4nDkKHYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
> snip
>> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
>> same.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

I stand corrected, it must have been '03, I remember it was the first year
the Rubicon came out.

I am half right, the 03's came out in late '02 :-)

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:453beadb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed
> auto
> became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
> definitely not available then.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:ZLqdnQb3Z4nDkKHYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
> snip
>> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
>> same.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

I stand corrected, it must have been '03, I remember it was the first year
the Rubicon came out.

I am half right, the 03's came out in late '02 :-)

"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:453beadb$1_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> In 2002 there was no 4-speed auto in the Wrangler. I think the 4-speed
> auto
> became available in the Wrangler '03 or '04. I had an '02, and it was
> definitely not available then.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:ZLqdnQb3Z4nDkKHYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
> snip
>> 4-speed autos were intro'd in Wranglers in 2002. Unlimited autos are the
>> same.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Outatime

Kate wrote:

> Sadly, all things must change or they become stagnant.

Sadly, some of old farts like stagnant. You know, stuff that just works
forever. I still have a Western Electric dial phone on my kitchen wall,
a calculator I bought in 1975, my old Teac tube stereo circa 1977, and
my beloved TJ, that hopefully will be still be running when I'm ready to
be buried in it. Some things *shouldn't* change just for the sake of
change itself.

Change is good when it replaces something worse. There isn't anything
wrong with the TJ model. The bugs are finally worked out, they're
attractive and ultra-durable, and even have a comfortable ride. But, as
sure as something is perfected and works perfectly, captains of industry
figure it's time to scrap it for the sake of continued profitibility.
That's fine for businesses, but the consumer winds up short.

American business models seem to revolve around short product lifespans
these days, in order to keep sharholders happy. Consumers like me are
tired of having to replace every damn thing we own every 5 years because
something broke and can't be replaced/repaired, it just plain wore out
because of cheap materials used or a crappy design, or an adjoining
company who's service is required to make it work has decided to
'upgrade' and is forcing obscelesence upon perfectly good products for
the sake of additional profits via sales of new doo-dads, increased
prices for service, etc. The cellular phone industry is the king of
this nonsense!

And of course, the automotive industry nickel-and-dimes you to death
with 'The Monthlys' to ****** whatever's left of your wallet. Onstar
for your new GM product for those who are too challenged to dial 911 or
simply ask a passerby for help, satellite radio because AM or FM just
isn't cool enough, and the ever-popular, pure-profit extended warranties.

Bleh. I'll take stagnation anyday. Products get sidelined purely for
the sake of profits, not for the sake of introducing better products.

> Kate
> (a mean faced middle aged woman with a TJ - HAAH!)

I'm glad you said this first! I didn't have a problem with her intended
use (I have no clue what she's going to do with it, and that's never a
concern -if she wants to be a mean-*** Mall Mommie, more power to her!),
but with the fact that TJ's (and worse, 4.0 sixes) will now be
considered obselete. How sad that such a wonderful product has been
kicked to the curb to keep sales up.

Outatime

Kate wrote:

> Sadly, all things must change or they become stagnant.

Sadly, some of old farts like stagnant. You know, stuff that just works
forever. I still have a Western Electric dial phone on my kitchen wall,
a calculator I bought in 1975, my old Teac tube stereo circa 1977, and
my beloved TJ, that hopefully will be still be running when I'm ready to
be buried in it. Some things *shouldn't* change just for the sake of
change itself.

Change is good when it replaces something worse. There isn't anything
wrong with the TJ model. The bugs are finally worked out, they're
attractive and ultra-durable, and even have a comfortable ride. But, as
sure as something is perfected and works perfectly, captains of industry
figure it's time to scrap it for the sake of continued profitibility.
That's fine for businesses, but the consumer winds up short.

American business models seem to revolve around short product lifespans
these days, in order to keep sharholders happy. Consumers like me are
tired of having to replace every damn thing we own every 5 years because
something broke and can't be replaced/repaired, it just plain wore out
because of cheap materials used or a crappy design, or an adjoining
company who's service is required to make it work has decided to
'upgrade' and is forcing obscelesence upon perfectly good products for
the sake of additional profits via sales of new doo-dads, increased
prices for service, etc. The cellular phone industry is the king of
this nonsense!

And of course, the automotive industry nickel-and-dimes you to death
with 'The Monthlys' to ****** whatever's left of your wallet. Onstar
for your new GM product for those who are too challenged to dial 911 or
simply ask a passerby for help, satellite radio because AM or FM just
isn't cool enough, and the ever-popular, pure-profit extended warranties.

Bleh. I'll take stagnation anyday. Products get sidelined purely for
the sake of profits, not for the sake of introducing better products.

> Kate
> (a mean faced middle aged woman with a TJ - HAAH!)

I'm glad you said this first! I didn't have a problem with her intended
use (I have no clue what she's going to do with it, and that's never a
concern -if she wants to be a mean-*** Mall Mommie, more power to her!),
but with the fact that TJ's (and worse, 4.0 sixes) will now be
considered obselete. How sad that such a wonderful product has been
kicked to the curb to keep sales up.

Outatime

Kate wrote:

> Sadly, all things must change or they become stagnant.

Sadly, some of old farts like stagnant. You know, stuff that just works
forever. I still have a Western Electric dial phone on my kitchen wall,
a calculator I bought in 1975, my old Teac tube stereo circa 1977, and
my beloved TJ, that hopefully will be still be running when I'm ready to
be buried in it. Some things *shouldn't* change just for the sake of
change itself.

Change is good when it replaces something worse. There isn't anything
wrong with the TJ model. The bugs are finally worked out, they're
attractive and ultra-durable, and even have a comfortable ride. But, as
sure as something is perfected and works perfectly, captains of industry
figure it's time to scrap it for the sake of continued profitibility.
That's fine for businesses, but the consumer winds up short.

American business models seem to revolve around short product lifespans
these days, in order to keep sharholders happy. Consumers like me are
tired of having to replace every damn thing we own every 5 years because
something broke and can't be replaced/repaired, it just plain wore out
because of cheap materials used or a crappy design, or an adjoining
company who's service is required to make it work has decided to
'upgrade' and is forcing obscelesence upon perfectly good products for
the sake of additional profits via sales of new doo-dads, increased
prices for service, etc. The cellular phone industry is the king of
this nonsense!

And of course, the automotive industry nickel-and-dimes you to death
with 'The Monthlys' to ****** whatever's left of your wallet. Onstar
for your new GM product for those who are too challenged to dial 911 or
simply ask a passerby for help, satellite radio because AM or FM just
isn't cool enough, and the ever-popular, pure-profit extended warranties.

Bleh. I'll take stagnation anyday. Products get sidelined purely for
the sake of profits, not for the sake of introducing better products.

> Kate
> (a mean faced middle aged woman with a TJ - HAAH!)

I'm glad you said this first! I didn't have a problem with her intended
use (I have no clue what she's going to do with it, and that's never a
concern -if she wants to be a mean-*** Mall Mommie, more power to her!),
but with the fact that TJ's (and worse, 4.0 sixes) will now be
considered obselete. How sad that such a wonderful product has been
kicked to the curb to keep sales up.

Matt Macchiarolo

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:KPWdnXlih8vApqHYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..

> Change is good when it replaces something worse. There isn't anything
> wrong with the TJ model.

It's 10 years old, pretty much the useful lifespan of any modern automotive
product. And remember what was said in the past:

1987: "There isn't anything wrong with the CJ! Damn corporate captains of
industry, always changing things that don't need changing!"
1997: "There isn't anything wrong with the YJ! Damn corporate captains of
industry, always changing things that don't need changing!"


The bugs are finally worked out, they're
> attractive and ultra-durable, and even have a comfortable ride. But, as
> sure as something is perfected and works perfectly, captains of industry
> figure it's time to scrap it for the sake of continued profitibility.
> That's fine for businesses, but the consumer winds up short.
>
> American business models seem to revolve around short product lifespans
> these days, in order to keep sharholders happy.

I would agree too many companies don't have an adequate long-term strategy.
But first and foremost, a manufacturer exists to make money, not a product.
If you can't compete, you don't make money. If you don't make money, you
can't make anything.

Consumers like me are
> tired of having to replace every damn thing we own every 5 years

Lots of consumers like having the latest and most up-to-date model of
everything.
>

> Bleh. I'll take stagnation anyday. Products get sidelined purely for the
> sake of profits, not for the sake of introducing better products.


> How sad that such a wonderful product has been kicked to the curb to keep
> sales up.
>
Like I said, If a product maker can't compete, they won't be making
products. You've never run your own business, I gather.