c

I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the feedback
I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I was
also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf springs
are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars, etc.
Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
Jeep? Good idea Bill.

Chris


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
it
> so fast?
>
> I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as
a
> base model and beef it up
> with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
4"
> lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
>
>
> It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
> and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
is
> by mail order kit.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss
in
> > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > > begin:
> > >
> > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> > basic
> > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> front
> > &
> > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
Expand
> > on
> > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > >
> > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > >
> > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
D44
> > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> Shara
> > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
> V8
> > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > >
> > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > >
> > > Next!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot
of
> > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
> high
> > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
This
> > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
> 5.7
> > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> >
> > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
be
> a
> > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> > least 3:1).
> >
> > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
should
> > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
the
> > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
controlled
> > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
> can
> > be disabled for serious off roading.
> >
> > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
be
> > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
keep
> > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> >
> > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them.
A
> > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> >
> > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
ago,
> > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
they
> > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
the
> > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
for
> > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
> in
> > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up
a
> > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
> off
> > the road.
> >
> > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
lot
> of
> > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
would
> > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
like
> > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
to
> > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> keep
> > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> >
> > </dreaming>
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

c

I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the feedback
I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I was
also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf springs
are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars, etc.
Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
Jeep? Good idea Bill.

Chris


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
it
> so fast?
>
> I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as
a
> base model and beef it up
> with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
4"
> lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
>
>
> It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
> and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
is
> by mail order kit.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss
in
> > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > > begin:
> > >
> > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> > basic
> > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> front
> > &
> > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
Expand
> > on
> > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > >
> > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > >
> > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
D44
> > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> Shara
> > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
> V8
> > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > >
> > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > >
> > > Next!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot
of
> > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
> high
> > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
This
> > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
> 5.7
> > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> >
> > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
be
> a
> > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> > least 3:1).
> >
> > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
should
> > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
the
> > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
controlled
> > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
> can
> > be disabled for serious off roading.
> >
> > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
be
> > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
keep
> > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> >
> > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them.
A
> > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> >
> > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
ago,
> > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
they
> > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
the
> > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
for
> > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
> in
> > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up
a
> > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
> off
> > the road.
> >
> > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
lot
> of
> > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
would
> > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
like
> > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
to
> > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> keep
> > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> >
> > </dreaming>
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

c

I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the feedback
I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I was
also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf springs
are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars, etc.
Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
Jeep? Good idea Bill.

Chris


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
it
> so fast?
>
> I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as
a
> base model and beef it up
> with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
4"
> lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
>
>
> It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
> and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
is
> by mail order kit.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss
in
> > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > > begin:
> > >
> > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> > basic
> > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> front
> > &
> > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
Expand
> > on
> > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > >
> > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > >
> > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
D44
> > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> Shara
> > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
> V8
> > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > >
> > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > >
> > > Next!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot
of
> > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
> high
> > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
This
> > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
> 5.7
> > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> >
> > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
be
> a
> > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> > least 3:1).
> >
> > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
should
> > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
the
> > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
controlled
> > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
> can
> > be disabled for serious off roading.
> >
> > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
be
> > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
keep
> > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> >
> > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them.
A
> > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> >
> > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
ago,
> > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
they
> > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
the
> > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
for
> > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
> in
> > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up
a
> > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
> off
> > the road.
> >
> > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
lot
> of
> > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
would
> > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
like
> > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
to
> > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> keep
> > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> >
> > </dreaming>
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

William Oliveri

Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change it
so fast?

I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as a
base model and beef it up
with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges, 4"
lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.


It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future is
by mail order kit.



Bill







"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss in
> > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > begin:
> >
> > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> basic
> > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
front
> &
> > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse). Expand
> on
> > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> >
> > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> >
> > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case, D44
> > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
Shara
> > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
V8
> > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> >
> > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> >
> > Next!
> >
> >
>
> OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot of
> grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
high
> flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack. This
> would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
5.7
> Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
>
> Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might be
a
> problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> least 3:1).
>
> I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both should
> be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case. the
> axles should be available with some type of locker that can be controlled
> from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
can
> be disabled for serious off roading.
>
> Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should be
> able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should keep
> the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
>
> An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them. A
> factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
>
> In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years ago,
> the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what they
> wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on the
> drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made for
> soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
in
> DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up a
> vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
off
> the road.
>
> I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a lot
of
> people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it would
> save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something like
> the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC to
> set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
keep
> the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
>
> </dreaming>
> Chris
>
>

William Oliveri

Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change it
so fast?

I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as a
base model and beef it up
with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges, 4"
lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.


It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future is
by mail order kit.



Bill







"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss in
> > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > begin:
> >
> > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> basic
> > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
front
> &
> > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse). Expand
> on
> > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> >
> > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> >
> > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case, D44
> > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
Shara
> > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
V8
> > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> >
> > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> >
> > Next!
> >
> >
>
> OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot of
> grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
high
> flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack. This
> would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
5.7
> Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
>
> Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might be
a
> problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> least 3:1).
>
> I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both should
> be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case. the
> axles should be available with some type of locker that can be controlled
> from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
can
> be disabled for serious off roading.
>
> Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should be
> able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should keep
> the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
>
> An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them. A
> factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
>
> In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years ago,
> the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what they
> wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on the
> drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made for
> soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
in
> DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up a
> vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
off
> the road.
>
> I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a lot
of
> people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it would
> save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something like
> the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC to
> set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
keep
> the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
>
> </dreaming>
> Chris
>
>

William Oliveri

Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change it
so fast?

I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as a
base model and beef it up
with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges, 4"
lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.


It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future is
by mail order kit.



Bill







"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss in
> > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > begin:
> >
> > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> basic
> > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
front
> &
> > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse). Expand
> on
> > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> >
> > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> >
> > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case, D44
> > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
Shara
> > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
V8
> > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> >
> > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> >
> > Next!
> >
> >
>
> OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot of
> grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
high
> flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack. This
> would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
5.7
> Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
>
> Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might be
a
> problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> least 3:1).
>
> I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both should
> be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case. the
> axles should be available with some type of locker that can be controlled
> from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
can
> be disabled for serious off roading.
>
> Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should be
> able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should keep
> the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
>
> An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them. A
> factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
>
> In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years ago,
> the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what they
> wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on the
> drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made for
> soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
in
> DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up a
> vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
off
> the road.
>
> I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a lot
of
> people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it would
> save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something like
> the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC to
> set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
keep
> the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
>
> </dreaming>
> Chris
>
>

William Oliveri

Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change it
so fast?

I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ as a
base model and beef it up
with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges, 4"
lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.


It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get better
and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future is
by mail order kit.



Bill







"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone toss in
> > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts to
> > begin:
> >
> > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc. Two
> basic
> > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
front
> &
> > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse). Expand
> on
> > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> >
> > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> >
> > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim, however
> > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case, D44
> > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
Shara
> > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to incl.
V8
> > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> >
> > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> >
> > Next!
> >
> >
>
> OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline 6
> would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a lot of
> grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long stroke,
high
> flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack. This
> would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including the
5.7
> Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
>
> Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a 6
> speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might be
a
> problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear (at
> least 3:1).
>
> I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both should
> be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case. the
> axles should be available with some type of locker that can be controlled
> from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock that
can
> be disabled for serious off roading.
>
> Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link setup
> with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could be
> supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s with
> just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should be
> able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should keep
> the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
>
> An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most people
> have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with them. A
> factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
>
> In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years ago,
> the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what they
> wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on the
> drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made for
> soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a built
in
> DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing up
> without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back up a
> vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the hell
off
> the road.
>
> I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a lot
of
> people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it would
> save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something like
> the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC to
> set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
keep
> the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
>
> </dreaming>
> Chris
>
>

William Oliveri

Hey Chris,

I guess it also comes down to the saying "Real Jeeps are Built, Not Bought".
If we weren't strung out all over the U.S and Canada we could pool together
and build our own aftermarket company.

Hey, I can be the company tester. Ha ha.... If it stays together when I
get near it it will sail over the Rubicon. LOL.

Anyhoo, what are some examples of a High Liter, Long Stroke engines?

Bill




"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:32oyc.12605$Fd.11042@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the
feedback
> I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
> guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I
was
> also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
> Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf
springs
> are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars,
etc.
> Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
> Jeep? Good idea Bill.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
> it
> > so fast?
> >
> > I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ
as
> a
> > base model and beef it up
> > with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
> 4"
> > lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
> >
> >
> > It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get
better
> > and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
> is
> > by mail order kit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone
toss
> in
> > > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts
to
> > > > begin:
> > > >
> > > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc.
Two
> > > basic
> > > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> > front
> > > &
> > > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
> Expand
> > > on
> > > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > > >
> > > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > > >
> > > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim,
however
> > > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
> D44
> > > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> > Shara
> > > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to
incl.
> > V8
> > > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > > >
> > > > Next!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline
6
> > > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a
lot
> of
> > > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long
stroke,
> > high
> > > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
> This
> > > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including
the
> > 5.7
> > > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> > >
> > > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a
6
> > > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
> be
> > a
> > > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear
(at
> > > least 3:1).
> > >
> > > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
> should
> > > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
> the
> > > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
> controlled
> > > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock
that
> > can
> > > be disabled for serious off roading.
> > >
> > > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link
setup
> > > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could
be
> > > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s
with
> > > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
> be
> > > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
> keep
> > > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> > >
> > > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most
people
> > > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with
them.
> A
> > > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> > >
> > > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
> ago,
> > > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
> they
> > > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
> the
> > > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
> for
> > > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a
built
> > in
> > > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing
up
> > > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back
up
> a
> > > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the
hell
> > off
> > > the road.
> > >
> > > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
> lot
> > of
> > > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
> would
> > > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
> like
> > > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
> to
> > > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> > keep
> > > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> > >
> > > </dreaming>
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

William Oliveri

Hey Chris,

I guess it also comes down to the saying "Real Jeeps are Built, Not Bought".
If we weren't strung out all over the U.S and Canada we could pool together
and build our own aftermarket company.

Hey, I can be the company tester. Ha ha.... If it stays together when I
get near it it will sail over the Rubicon. LOL.

Anyhoo, what are some examples of a High Liter, Long Stroke engines?

Bill




"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:32oyc.12605$Fd.11042@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the
feedback
> I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
> guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I
was
> also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
> Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf
springs
> are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars,
etc.
> Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
> Jeep? Good idea Bill.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
> it
> > so fast?
> >
> > I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ
as
> a
> > base model and beef it up
> > with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
> 4"
> > lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
> >
> >
> > It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get
better
> > and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
> is
> > by mail order kit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone
toss
> in
> > > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts
to
> > > > begin:
> > > >
> > > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc.
Two
> > > basic
> > > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> > front
> > > &
> > > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
> Expand
> > > on
> > > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > > >
> > > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > > >
> > > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim,
however
> > > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
> D44
> > > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> > Shara
> > > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to
incl.
> > V8
> > > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > > >
> > > > Next!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline
6
> > > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a
lot
> of
> > > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long
stroke,
> > high
> > > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
> This
> > > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including
the
> > 5.7
> > > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> > >
> > > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a
6
> > > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
> be
> > a
> > > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear
(at
> > > least 3:1).
> > >
> > > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
> should
> > > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
> the
> > > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
> controlled
> > > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock
that
> > can
> > > be disabled for serious off roading.
> > >
> > > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link
setup
> > > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could
be
> > > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s
with
> > > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
> be
> > > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
> keep
> > > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> > >
> > > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most
people
> > > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with
them.
> A
> > > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> > >
> > > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
> ago,
> > > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
> they
> > > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
> the
> > > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
> for
> > > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a
built
> > in
> > > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing
up
> > > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back
up
> a
> > > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the
hell
> > off
> > > the road.
> > >
> > > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
> lot
> > of
> > > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
> would
> > > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
> like
> > > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
> to
> > > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> > keep
> > > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> > >
> > > </dreaming>
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

William Oliveri

Hey Chris,

I guess it also comes down to the saying "Real Jeeps are Built, Not Bought".
If we weren't strung out all over the U.S and Canada we could pool together
and build our own aftermarket company.

Hey, I can be the company tester. Ha ha.... If it stays together when I
get near it it will sail over the Rubicon. LOL.

Anyhoo, what are some examples of a High Liter, Long Stroke engines?

Bill




"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:32oyc.12605$Fd.11042@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I can't speak for the capabilities of the Rubi, but judging by the
feedback
> I have heard here and elsewhere, it seems to be quite capable off-road. I
> guess I was just using that as an example for a "package" type option. I
was
> also building the Jeep I wanted, LOL. I would lve to see the leaf spring
> Jeeps come back (i.e. CJ, YJ), but that is not going to happen. Leaf
springs
> are functional and simple, and don't require track locators, sway bars,
etc.
> Ford and Chevy have both done the retro car thing this year, so why not
> Jeep? Good idea Bill.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2iuggsFrbo0eU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Well, they just built the Rubicon. If it's so wonderful then why change
> it
> > so fast?
> >
> > I think simplicity is elegance. So keep it simple. Why not take a CJ
as
> a
> > base model and beef it up
> > with axles, lockers, on board air, currie twin sticks, autometer gauges,
> 4"
> > lift, 33" tires, engine/transmission of choice, etc, etc, etc.
> >
> >
> > It'll never happen which is why the after market for jeeps will get
better
> > and better. Probably the only way we'll have what we want in the future
> is
> > by mail order kit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > news:MHnyc.12594$Fd.4688@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > news:cacijv02q3i@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > > > Ok, I got an idea. Let's design our own TJ replacement! Everyone
toss
> in
> > > > their ideas anmd let's see what we come up with. Here's my thoughts
to
> > > > begin:
> > > >
> > > > Styling to reflect traditional Jeep themes, grille, fenders, etc.
Two
> > > basic
> > > > models, short & long wheelbase. 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 options. Solid axles
> > front
> > > &
> > > > rear, Dana 44 rear axle standard, no D35 option (kill the curse).
> Expand
> > > on
> > > > current coil over design w/ refinements.
> > > >
> > > > Four basic trim levels on SWB, two on LWB.
> > > >
> > > > SWB: Base model (bare bones), rubber floor mats, minimal trim,
however
> > > > available with all upgraded powertrain options incl. 4:1 xfer case,
> D44
> > > > front axle, V8, etc. (This one would be great for builders.) Sport &
> > Shara
> > > > as current. Rubicon High Performance model (same as current), to
incl.
> > V8
> > > > option w D60 rear axle upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > LWB: Sport & Rubicon options as above.
> > > >
> > > > Next!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK, since I like engines, I'll start there. Not sure if a V6 or inline
6
> > > would fit the bill better, but I would like to see an engine with a
lot
> of
> > > grunt. Something in the high 4 to low 5 litre range with a long
stroke,
> > high
> > > flowing heads, tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) that don't crack.
> This
> > > would be the standard engine. There should be 2 V8 options including
the
> > 5.7
> > > Hemi. The other one could be a bit more docile and fuel efficient.
> > >
> > > Transmissions - 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto with overdrive. Even a
6
> > > speed with the Hemi would be really cool, but I think the length might
> be
> > a
> > > problem there. In any event, the trans should have a low first gear
(at
> > > least 3:1).
> > >
> > > I like the idea of D44's as standard axles with a D60 upgrade. Both
> should
> > > be available with multiple ratios. I also like the 4:1 transfer case.
> the
> > > axles should be available with some type of locker that can be
> controlled
> > > from the dash (electric or air), 4 wheel disc brakes with anti-lock
that
> > can
> > > be disabled for serious off roading.
> > >
> > > Long travel coil-over shock suspension using a triangulated 3 link
setup
> > > with adjustable shocks. If this was done right, the stock Jeep could
be
> > > supplied with 30 or 31" tires, and be capable of 33s or "maybe" 35s
with
> > > just a spring change. The aftermarket does this, so the factory should
> be
> > > able to without a problem. I'm sure this won't happen, but it should
> keep
> > > the Wrangler as one of the top factory off road vehicles.
> > >
> > > An option that may be neat would be onboard GPS, but I think most
people
> > > have a handheld so they can switch vehicles and take the GPS with
them.
> A
> > > factory spare tire rack that will hold a 35" tire would be nice too.
> > >
> > > In all seriousness, this thread brings up an interesting point. Years
> ago,
> > > the auto makers used to listen to feedback from the public as to what
> they
> > > wanted their vehicles to be equipped with. The was very obvious in the
> > > muscle car days, when people were buying the cars that were winning on
> the
> > > drag strip and in NASCAR. These days we get more options that are made
> for
> > > soccer moms then we do for functionality. Does a 4x4 really need a
built
> > in
> > > DVD player in the back seat, or an in dash camera to use for backing
up
> > > without hitting something? I guess my point is that if you can't back
up
> a
> > > vehicle without an in dash camera to show you the way, then get the
hell
> > off
> > > the road.
> > >
> > > I know some of these ideas may seem far fetched, but there would be a
> lot
> > of
> > > people willing to pay a bit more for something like this because it
> would
> > > save them modifying the vehicle later on. Most companies offer option
> > > packages for some of their vehicles. I guess this would be something
> like
> > > the Rubicon package for the Wrangler. It would be a good chance for DC
> to
> > > set the standard in off road vehicles if they wanted to. It would also
> > keep
> > > the Jeep off road standards a cut above the rest.
> > >
> > > </dreaming>
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>