2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Take it straight to the Stealership.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
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uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Take it straight to the Stealership.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Take it straight to the Stealership.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
For your own curiosity, pull the fault codes, by turning the
ignition key until the digital odometer displays, repeat three times in
succession and then back to "On" (On/Off, On/Off, On/Off, On). At the
fourth "On" the odometer will be replaced with codes. If no codes are
present then "Done" will appear: http://www.wjjeeps.com/faultcodes.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
uniskae wrote:
>
> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off. I
> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I waited
> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the Jeep to
> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in advance.
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
I think that the words you are using for parts don't exactly match up with
the words we know them by.
Cranking: The engine moves in a way that simulates running, but is being
driven by an electric starter motor attached to the back of the engine.
All major assemblies are in motion. When you turn the key to "Start" is
should "crank" or "turn over".
Alternator: An electrical part, about the size of a can of nuts, located
on the front of the engine, driven by a belt from the crankshaft. It
produces electricity. Alternators cannot motor by themselves. If the
engine is not turning the alternator cannot be turning.
Crank Position Sensor: A small electronic part located at the back of the
engine, it senses when a particular spot on the flywheel rotates past it.
The CPS tells the engine computer where in the rotation cycle the engine
is and how fast it is running. If the CPS dies the computer thinks that
the engine is not running and will not deliver spark or fuel.
Mike's "which it will do" means that CPS failure is a well-known problem
for some Jeeps.
If you've got only 8000 miles on the Jeep and it is stalling in traffic
you should take it to the dealer. It is still new. Make it their
problem.
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, uniskae wrote:
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
>
> Snow wrote:
>> What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
>> If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
>> was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
>> when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
>> just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
>> a couple minutes.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>>> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
>>> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
>>> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
>>> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
>>> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
>>> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
>>>
>
>
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
I think that the words you are using for parts don't exactly match up with
the words we know them by.
Cranking: The engine moves in a way that simulates running, but is being
driven by an electric starter motor attached to the back of the engine.
All major assemblies are in motion. When you turn the key to "Start" is
should "crank" or "turn over".
Alternator: An electrical part, about the size of a can of nuts, located
on the front of the engine, driven by a belt from the crankshaft. It
produces electricity. Alternators cannot motor by themselves. If the
engine is not turning the alternator cannot be turning.
Crank Position Sensor: A small electronic part located at the back of the
engine, it senses when a particular spot on the flywheel rotates past it.
The CPS tells the engine computer where in the rotation cycle the engine
is and how fast it is running. If the CPS dies the computer thinks that
the engine is not running and will not deliver spark or fuel.
Mike's "which it will do" means that CPS failure is a well-known problem
for some Jeeps.
If you've got only 8000 miles on the Jeep and it is stalling in traffic
you should take it to the dealer. It is still new. Make it their
problem.
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, uniskae wrote:
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
>
> Snow wrote:
>> What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
>> If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
>> was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
>> when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
>> just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
>> a couple minutes.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>>> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
>>> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
>>> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
>>> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
>>> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
>>> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
>>>
>
>
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
I think that the words you are using for parts don't exactly match up with
the words we know them by.
Cranking: The engine moves in a way that simulates running, but is being
driven by an electric starter motor attached to the back of the engine.
All major assemblies are in motion. When you turn the key to "Start" is
should "crank" or "turn over".
Alternator: An electrical part, about the size of a can of nuts, located
on the front of the engine, driven by a belt from the crankshaft. It
produces electricity. Alternators cannot motor by themselves. If the
engine is not turning the alternator cannot be turning.
Crank Position Sensor: A small electronic part located at the back of the
engine, it senses when a particular spot on the flywheel rotates past it.
The CPS tells the engine computer where in the rotation cycle the engine
is and how fast it is running. If the CPS dies the computer thinks that
the engine is not running and will not deliver spark or fuel.
Mike's "which it will do" means that CPS failure is a well-known problem
for some Jeeps.
If you've got only 8000 miles on the Jeep and it is stalling in traffic
you should take it to the dealer. It is still new. Make it their
problem.
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, uniskae wrote:
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
>
> Snow wrote:
>> What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
>> If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
>> was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
>> when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
>> just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
>> a couple minutes.
>>
>> Snow...
>>
>> "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>>> I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
>>> shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
>>> alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
>>> for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
>>> Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
>>> the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
>>>
>
>
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Translation issues, we mean turn over when we say 'crank' and for sure
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Translation issues, we mean turn over when we say 'crank' and for sure
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
Translation issues, we mean turn over when we say 'crank' and for sure
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
'cranking' the engine over.
It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
the back.
The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
uniskae wrote:
>
> My mistake the engine is a I-6 not a V6.
>
> The Engine does not crank at all, though the alternator is rotating. Is
> the Crank Position Sensor a mechanical or electrical device? What do
> you mean by "which it will do"?
>
> Snow wrote:
> > What engine does it have? would the engine crank over?
> > If the engine cranked over it could be a fuel pump problem. If the
> engine
> > was just dead and would not crank it might be you Crank Position
> Sensor.
> > when the sensor goes it causes some strange things to happen anything
> from
> > just dying (which it will do) to starting right up again to not
> starting for
> > a couple minutes.
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > "uniskae" <uniskae@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102433091.763384.102470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > I was in stop-and-go traffic and the Jeep engine simply turned off.
> I
> > > shifted the gear into Park and turned the key a few times. The
> > > alternator would rotate, however, the engine would not start. I
> waited
> > > for 15 seconds and turned the key and this time the engine started.
> > > Otherwise, the Jeep runs great. Any insights? Should I take the
> Jeep to
> > > the dealer? The Jeep has about 8000 miles on it. Thank you in
> advance.
> > >
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Re: 2004 Jeep GC 4X4 stalls on city road
I've broken two cranks which left their generators spinning like a
motor. :-(
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Translation issues, we mean turn over when we say 'crank' and for sure
> if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
> 'cranking' the engine over.
>
> It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
>
> If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
> is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
> the back.
>
> The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
> the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
motor. :-(
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Translation issues, we mean turn over when we say 'crank' and for sure
> if the alternator up top is turning, the starter down below is
> 'cranking' the engine over.
>
> It is not 'firing' when cranking sounds more like it.
>
> If under warranty, I would take it back with suspected CPS issues. It
> is an electronic part located at 10:00 on the bell housing looking from
> the back.
>
> The plug for it gets dirty and causes stalls. The plug is just above
> the exhaust manifold on the back driver's side.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's