troll alert!!
"TMiller782" <tmiller782@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040619220056.04692.00000203@mb-m10.aol.com...
> I owned a 95 wrangler with a stick shift for almost 9 years. It was
great. A
> real work horse. Felt like it had some muscle. Always started out in 2nd
with
> never a problem. Had the original clutch at 165,000 miles. Just bought a
2004
> and tried to do the same thing. The 2004 keeps jumping out of 2nd gear
when I
> start up. Has no power and sounds like marbles are rattling around in
neutral.
> What gives. this jeep is sick. Nothing like my 95. Took it back to the
> dealer who said all was normal and working fine. Said I needed to start
out in
> 1st gear. This must be a real watered down jeep now. The maintenance
book
> said the transmission is a medium duty unit. This is real disappointing.
Has
> anyone else been surprised at the low quality performance in the wrangler
SE
> and sports since 95?

 

Sorry about that first post, your post sounded somewhat trolly, no offense
intended.

Sounds to me you got a taller final drive ratio, than the YJ had. The
NVG3550 in your '04 actually has a lower first gear than the AX15.

Unfortunately that neutral rattle is standard equipment with the NVG
tranny...

"TMiller782" <tmiller782@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040620210913.16528.00000218@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My >TOH, if your new one is the SE which you referred to, it only has a
2.4
> >litre engine ~ 55 hp
> >down on the 4 litre, although the Sports has the 6 cyl.
>
>
> The 95 was a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder and so is the new one. The dealer said
the
> transmision is different in the 2004. Seems the gearing is not as low.
> Actually where is used to use 2nd I now have to go down to first. Where I
used
> to use 3rd I now have to go to 2nd and so forth. I've been starting the
2004
> in first gear and it is slower but seeems to work better. I had a choice
of
> axle ratios in the new car. Maybe I picked one different from the 95.
Could
> that be the problem?>What engine and gear ratio? Most of the 6 cyl came
with a
> 3.07
> >> axle ratio, not condusive to starting in 2nd.
>
> In the 95 there was plenty of power to start in 2nd so maybe I got a
better
> axle ratio. I really am not sure what I had. I just know this is very
> disappointing have to shift from 1st at a crawl. Fortunately, 1st in this
car
> does not seem as low as in the 95. How could I tell what the axle ratio
is in
> both cars. I've sold the 95 but could still contact the new owner. I'm
real
> curious why this is so different.

 

Sorry about that first post, your post sounded somewhat trolly, no offense
intended.

Sounds to me you got a taller final drive ratio, than the YJ had. The
NVG3550 in your '04 actually has a lower first gear than the AX15.

Unfortunately that neutral rattle is standard equipment with the NVG
tranny...

"TMiller782" <tmiller782@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040620210913.16528.00000218@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My >TOH, if your new one is the SE which you referred to, it only has a
2.4
> >litre engine ~ 55 hp
> >down on the 4 litre, although the Sports has the 6 cyl.
>
>
> The 95 was a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder and so is the new one. The dealer said
the
> transmision is different in the 2004. Seems the gearing is not as low.
> Actually where is used to use 2nd I now have to go down to first. Where I
used
> to use 3rd I now have to go to 2nd and so forth. I've been starting the
2004
> in first gear and it is slower but seeems to work better. I had a choice
of
> axle ratios in the new car. Maybe I picked one different from the 95.
Could
> that be the problem?>What engine and gear ratio? Most of the 6 cyl came
with a
> 3.07
> >> axle ratio, not condusive to starting in 2nd.
>
> In the 95 there was plenty of power to start in 2nd so maybe I got a
better
> axle ratio. I really am not sure what I had. I just know this is very
> disappointing have to shift from 1st at a crawl. Fortunately, 1st in this
car
> does not seem as low as in the 95. How could I tell what the axle ratio
is in
> both cars. I've sold the 95 but could still contact the new owner. I'm
real
> curious why this is so different.

 

Sorry about that first post, your post sounded somewhat trolly, no offense
intended.

Sounds to me you got a taller final drive ratio, than the YJ had. The
NVG3550 in your '04 actually has a lower first gear than the AX15.

Unfortunately that neutral rattle is standard equipment with the NVG
tranny...

"TMiller782" <tmiller782@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040620210913.16528.00000218@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My >TOH, if your new one is the SE which you referred to, it only has a
2.4
> >litre engine ~ 55 hp
> >down on the 4 litre, although the Sports has the 6 cyl.
>
>
> The 95 was a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder and so is the new one. The dealer said
the
> transmision is different in the 2004. Seems the gearing is not as low.
> Actually where is used to use 2nd I now have to go down to first. Where I
used
> to use 3rd I now have to go to 2nd and so forth. I've been starting the
2004
> in first gear and it is slower but seeems to work better. I had a choice
of
> axle ratios in the new car. Maybe I picked one different from the 95.
Could
> that be the problem?>What engine and gear ratio? Most of the 6 cyl came
with a
> 3.07
> >> axle ratio, not condusive to starting in 2nd.
>
> In the 95 there was plenty of power to start in 2nd so maybe I got a
better
> axle ratio. I really am not sure what I had. I just know this is very
> disappointing have to shift from 1st at a crawl. Fortunately, 1st in this
car
> does not seem as low as in the 95. How could I tell what the axle ratio
is in
> both cars. I've sold the 95 but could still contact the new owner. I'm
real
> curious why this is so different.

 

Sorry about that first post, your post sounded somewhat trolly, no offense
intended.

Sounds to me you got a taller final drive ratio, than the YJ had. The
NVG3550 in your '04 actually has a lower first gear than the AX15.

Unfortunately that neutral rattle is standard equipment with the NVG
tranny...

"TMiller782" <tmiller782@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040620210913.16528.00000218@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My >TOH, if your new one is the SE which you referred to, it only has a
2.4
> >litre engine ~ 55 hp
> >down on the 4 litre, although the Sports has the 6 cyl.
>
>
> The 95 was a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder and so is the new one. The dealer said
the
> transmision is different in the 2004. Seems the gearing is not as low.
> Actually where is used to use 2nd I now have to go down to first. Where I
used
> to use 3rd I now have to go to 2nd and so forth. I've been starting the
2004
> in first gear and it is slower but seeems to work better. I had a choice
of
> axle ratios in the new car. Maybe I picked one different from the 95.
Could
> that be the problem?>What engine and gear ratio? Most of the 6 cyl came
with a
> 3.07
> >> axle ratio, not condusive to starting in 2nd.
>
> In the 95 there was plenty of power to start in 2nd so maybe I got a
better
> axle ratio. I really am not sure what I had. I just know this is very
> disappointing have to shift from 1st at a crawl. Fortunately, 1st in this
car
> does not seem as low as in the 95. How could I tell what the axle ratio
is in
> both cars. I've sold the 95 but could still contact the new owner. I'm
real
> curious why this is so different.