Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's
finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* the end of it. Thanks to the group for all your replies. bllsht wrote: > On 20 Oct 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > >No luck. I'm still experiencing the same problem. Fortunately, the > >valve job was a warranty job. I did notice that I smell gas when it > >starts hard. It seems like it must be flooding. Any chance the > >throttle body is toast? > > No surprise there... > > I'd agree with your flooding theory, but it's not caused by the > T/Body, as it has nothing to do with fuel. It just regulates how much > air is allowed into the engine. It is most likely an injector slowly > dripping fuel into the intake, causing a pool of fuel and a mixture > that is WAY too rich for starting. It will then take several > revolutions before the engine will start. It may run a little rough > for a few seconds after startup also. > > It's a simple diagnosis, and you can even tell the idiots how it's > done... Just run the engine until it's at operating temp. Shut it > off, unbolt the fuel rail and pull the injectors out far enough to see > the business end. The leaking injector will be obvious. Note that > this is done with the injectors and fuel line still connected to the > rail, as the system must be under pressure to see the leak. > > Or, since these guys seem to prefer the shotgun approach over > diagnosis, they could just replace all of the injectors. > > > > > > > >bllsht wrote: > >> On 20 Oct 2006 08:44:43 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > >> > >> >Over the last week, the dealer has: > >> >- Tested the injection system. > >> >- Tested a bunch of sensors. > >> >- Checked all the grounds, battery, etc. > >> > > >> >They suspected it could be carbon build up and suggested having the > >> >valves cleaned/replaced if necessary. A compression test showed 1 > >> >cylinder down in the 120 range, so the valve job is uderway. Ugh. > >> > >> Sounds like an expensive guess to me. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Thanks.
Did they start leaking on their own or did someone pull them and not replace the O rings? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Argo wrote: > > Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's > finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two > leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an > o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* > the end of it. > > Thanks to the group for all your replies. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Thanks.
Did they start leaking on their own or did someone pull them and not replace the O rings? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Argo wrote: > > Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's > finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two > leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an > o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* > the end of it. > > Thanks to the group for all your replies. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Thanks.
Did they start leaking on their own or did someone pull them and not replace the O rings? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Argo wrote: > > Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's > finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two > leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an > o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* > the end of it. > > Thanks to the group for all your replies. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Lots of expensive parts replaced for a simple problem. Did they
finally figure it out, or did you have to tell them how to diagnose it? On 3 Nov 2006 11:18:36 -0800, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's >finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two >leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an >o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* >the end of it. > >Thanks to the group for all your replies. > > > >bllsht wrote: >> On 20 Oct 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >No luck. I'm still experiencing the same problem. Fortunately, the >> >valve job was a warranty job. I did notice that I smell gas when it >> >starts hard. It seems like it must be flooding. Any chance the >> >throttle body is toast? >> >> No surprise there... >> >> I'd agree with your flooding theory, but it's not caused by the >> T/Body, as it has nothing to do with fuel. It just regulates how much >> air is allowed into the engine. It is most likely an injector slowly >> dripping fuel into the intake, causing a pool of fuel and a mixture >> that is WAY too rich for starting. It will then take several >> revolutions before the engine will start. It may run a little rough >> for a few seconds after startup also. >> >> It's a simple diagnosis, and you can even tell the idiots how it's >> done... Just run the engine until it's at operating temp. Shut it >> off, unbolt the fuel rail and pull the injectors out far enough to see >> the business end. The leaking injector will be obvious. Note that >> this is done with the injectors and fuel line still connected to the >> rail, as the system must be under pressure to see the leak. >> >> Or, since these guys seem to prefer the shotgun approach over >> diagnosis, they could just replace all of the injectors. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> On 20 Oct 2006 08:44:43 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Over the last week, the dealer has: >> >> >- Tested the injection system. >> >> >- Tested a bunch of sensors. >> >> >- Checked all the grounds, battery, etc. >> >> > >> >> >They suspected it could be carbon build up and suggested having the >> >> >valves cleaned/replaced if necessary. A compression test showed 1 >> >> >cylinder down in the 120 range, so the valve job is uderway. Ugh. >> >> >> >> Sounds like an expensive guess to me. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Lots of expensive parts replaced for a simple problem. Did they
finally figure it out, or did you have to tell them how to diagnose it? On 3 Nov 2006 11:18:36 -0800, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's >finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two >leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an >o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* >the end of it. > >Thanks to the group for all your replies. > > > >bllsht wrote: >> On 20 Oct 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >No luck. I'm still experiencing the same problem. Fortunately, the >> >valve job was a warranty job. I did notice that I smell gas when it >> >starts hard. It seems like it must be flooding. Any chance the >> >throttle body is toast? >> >> No surprise there... >> >> I'd agree with your flooding theory, but it's not caused by the >> T/Body, as it has nothing to do with fuel. It just regulates how much >> air is allowed into the engine. It is most likely an injector slowly >> dripping fuel into the intake, causing a pool of fuel and a mixture >> that is WAY too rich for starting. It will then take several >> revolutions before the engine will start. It may run a little rough >> for a few seconds after startup also. >> >> It's a simple diagnosis, and you can even tell the idiots how it's >> done... Just run the engine until it's at operating temp. Shut it >> off, unbolt the fuel rail and pull the injectors out far enough to see >> the business end. The leaking injector will be obvious. Note that >> this is done with the injectors and fuel line still connected to the >> rail, as the system must be under pressure to see the leak. >> >> Or, since these guys seem to prefer the shotgun approach over >> diagnosis, they could just replace all of the injectors. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> On 20 Oct 2006 08:44:43 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Over the last week, the dealer has: >> >> >- Tested the injection system. >> >> >- Tested a bunch of sensors. >> >> >- Checked all the grounds, battery, etc. >> >> > >> >> >They suspected it could be carbon build up and suggested having the >> >> >valves cleaned/replaced if necessary. A compression test showed 1 >> >> >cylinder down in the 120 range, so the valve job is uderway. Ugh. >> >> >> >> Sounds like an expensive guess to me. |
Re: 2002 Grand Cherokee Hard to Start
Lots of expensive parts replaced for a simple problem. Did they
finally figure it out, or did you have to tell them how to diagnose it? On 3 Nov 2006 11:18:36 -0800, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >Just for closure, in case anyone runs in to the same problem. It's >finally fixed ... heh. I picked it up yesterday. There were two >leaking injectors, one leaking outside (they mentioned replacing an >o-ring), and one leaking into the intake. Hopefully this is *really* >the end of it. > >Thanks to the group for all your replies. > > > >bllsht wrote: >> On 20 Oct 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >No luck. I'm still experiencing the same problem. Fortunately, the >> >valve job was a warranty job. I did notice that I smell gas when it >> >starts hard. It seems like it must be flooding. Any chance the >> >throttle body is toast? >> >> No surprise there... >> >> I'd agree with your flooding theory, but it's not caused by the >> T/Body, as it has nothing to do with fuel. It just regulates how much >> air is allowed into the engine. It is most likely an injector slowly >> dripping fuel into the intake, causing a pool of fuel and a mixture >> that is WAY too rich for starting. It will then take several >> revolutions before the engine will start. It may run a little rough >> for a few seconds after startup also. >> >> It's a simple diagnosis, and you can even tell the idiots how it's >> done... Just run the engine until it's at operating temp. Shut it >> off, unbolt the fuel rail and pull the injectors out far enough to see >> the business end. The leaking injector will be obvious. Note that >> this is done with the injectors and fuel line still connected to the >> rail, as the system must be under pressure to see the leak. >> >> Or, since these guys seem to prefer the shotgun approach over >> diagnosis, they could just replace all of the injectors. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >bllsht wrote: >> >> On 20 Oct 2006 08:44:43 -0700, "Argo" <mikemcd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Over the last week, the dealer has: >> >> >- Tested the injection system. >> >> >- Tested a bunch of sensors. >> >> >- Checked all the grounds, battery, etc. >> >> > >> >> >They suspected it could be carbon build up and suggested having the >> >> >valves cleaned/replaced if necessary. A compression test showed 1 >> >> >cylinder down in the 120 range, so the valve job is uderway. Ugh. >> >> >> >> Sounds like an expensive guess to me. |
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