FW

Hi all,

I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.

Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
"snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.

This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
"snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.

I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
related to this.

Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.

- Frank

Carl S

This brake problem is gernerally associated with water in the brakes. I
would not be concerned about it. If you are worried about it inspect the
rear brakes or have a shop do it. Many tire shops do a free brake
inspection.

HTH

Carl


"FW" <fworsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170651122.528373.149830@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.
>
> - Frank
>

Carl S

This brake problem is gernerally associated with water in the brakes. I
would not be concerned about it. If you are worried about it inspect the
rear brakes or have a shop do it. Many tire shops do a free brake
inspection.

HTH

Carl


"FW" <fworsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170651122.528373.149830@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.
>
> - Frank
>

Carl S

This brake problem is gernerally associated with water in the brakes. I
would not be concerned about it. If you are worried about it inspect the
rear brakes or have a shop do it. Many tire shops do a free brake
inspection.

HTH

Carl


"FW" <fworsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170651122.528373.149830@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.
>
> - Frank
>

Carl S

This brake problem is gernerally associated with water in the brakes. I
would not be concerned about it. If you are worried about it inspect the
rear brakes or have a shop do it. Many tire shops do a free brake
inspection.

HTH

Carl


"FW" <fworsley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170651122.528373.149830@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.
>
> - Frank
>

Will Honea

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:52:02 -0800, FW wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.

Most likely the rear shoes are taking on moisture which makes them grab
until dried. It could also be a film of rust from the moisture. Its'
been a long time since I've seen it, but shoes that have soaked up brake
fluid were also notorious for this. The latter means a careful check for
a leak, even a small one. It will likely be the wheel cylinder and
you will see fluid when you pull the rubber cover on the end back. Only
sure cure for anything other than rust is to replace the shoes. That's
cheap and reasonably simple. If it is rust and the shoes are good, the
only solution I know of is to move somewhere that doesn't promote rust so
well<g>.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Will Honea

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:52:02 -0800, FW wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.

Most likely the rear shoes are taking on moisture which makes them grab
until dried. It could also be a film of rust from the moisture. Its'
been a long time since I've seen it, but shoes that have soaked up brake
fluid were also notorious for this. The latter means a careful check for
a leak, even a small one. It will likely be the wheel cylinder and
you will see fluid when you pull the rubber cover on the end back. Only
sure cure for anything other than rust is to replace the shoes. That's
cheap and reasonably simple. If it is rust and the shoes are good, the
only solution I know of is to move somewhere that doesn't promote rust so
well<g>.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Will Honea

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:52:02 -0800, FW wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.

Most likely the rear shoes are taking on moisture which makes them grab
until dried. It could also be a film of rust from the moisture. Its'
been a long time since I've seen it, but shoes that have soaked up brake
fluid were also notorious for this. The latter means a careful check for
a leak, even a small one. It will likely be the wheel cylinder and
you will see fluid when you pull the rubber cover on the end back. Only
sure cure for anything other than rust is to replace the shoes. That's
cheap and reasonably simple. If it is rust and the shoes are good, the
only solution I know of is to move somewhere that doesn't promote rust so
well<g>.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Will Honea

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:52:02 -0800, FW wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a 2001 TJ Sport in good condition. About 6-8 weeks ago it
> rained very heavily for several days in the area I live. I don't have
> a garage so the car was exposed to this constant rain the whole time.
>
> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.
>
> This only happens on wet days and the rear breaks return to normal
> after driving for 10+ minutes and engaging the breaks a few times.
> After that the breaks behave normally. I've tried breaking at high
> speeds, slow speeds, etc. and all is well. The sudden rear break
> "snap" action also does not happen consistently. It seems to happen
> mostly on dewy/drizzly days, not rainy days.
>
> I should also note that it generally rains a lot here in winter (south
> coast of BC) so I'm not sure if the heavy rain in particular is
> related to this.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of what the problem could be? I've read a few
> messages about people having break squeak on wet days, but how about
> the breaks working so abruptly? It seems pretty weird.

Most likely the rear shoes are taking on moisture which makes them grab
until dried. It could also be a film of rust from the moisture. Its'
been a long time since I've seen it, but shoes that have soaked up brake
fluid were also notorious for this. The latter means a careful check for
a leak, even a small one. It will likely be the wheel cylinder and
you will see fluid when you pull the rubber cover on the end back. Only
sure cure for anything other than rust is to replace the shoes. That's
cheap and reasonably simple. If it is rust and the shoes are good, the
only solution I know of is to move somewhere that doesn't promote rust so
well<g>.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Richard J Kinch

FW writes:

> Since then, on days when it is wet outside (rain, drizzle or just
> generally damp with dew in the morning) I find that my rear breaks
> squeak very loudly. Also, when I move at slow speed (in a parking lot
> or something) and lightly engage the breaks the rear breaks will
> "snap" into action and suddenly lock up my rear wheels.

Brake worms. We seem them a lot here during the rainy season. Try
sprinkling some Diazanon around the tires while it's parked overnight.