nathantw

> As for doing the fan and radiator at the same time, that's -------- unless
> the radiator is also shot. Try this place for price info (OEM)
> http://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
> There are aftermarket electrics but you have to do the wiring.

Unfortunately that link doesn't have the fan. I think it's easy enough to
get at the Mopar dealer though. I have a pricelist that's pretty close to
what they are on the market today. It even shows how long it takes to
install the item.
I'm not sure if he was going to change the radiator along with the fan.
Maybe I'm wrong. Either way the price was a bit high for the fan unit
though.

> What is this place, sounds like a Midas.

No, it was Quality Tune-up.

> That's the normal motor driven fan vs the electric one. You would need it
> and a new radiator shroud. Possibly different bolts for the water pump
> pulley (where the mechanical fan bolts) See my page on the harmonic
> balancer
> it shows the fan. http://revbeergoggles.com/hb/

I was looking at one of those websites that show what was new with the 1999
Jeeps GC and it said that it had a hybrid fan system, so I think it's
suppose to have both the electric and motor driven fans working in unison.
Hmmm, after further investigation I guess I won't need it. Here's what the
hybrid unit is used for "Fan noise eliminated by installing a hybrid cooling
fan system (on models with V8 or trailer tow package)."
http://www.wjjeeps.com/newoptions.htm

I looked at the radiator cooling fan and the radiator isn't attached. It
appears that the cooling fan is bolted onto the shroud. So that should be a
relatively easy repair and I'll save myself quite a bit of money.

Mike Romain

Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.

If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
spinning, the clutch needs replacing.

The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
it.

Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.

There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
clutch about a half hour.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

nathantw wrote:
>
> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I called
> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He set
> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the work
> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an hour
> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it out,
> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later I
> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for the
> overheating and the fan not working.
>
> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just to
> keep the engine cool.
>
> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the fan
> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things that
> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said and
> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can just
> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is it
> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>
> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a tow
> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow package?
> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>
> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>
> Nathan
>
> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
> >
> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
> >
> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan
> >

Mike Romain

Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.

If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
spinning, the clutch needs replacing.

The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
it.

Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.

There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
clutch about a half hour.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

nathantw wrote:
>
> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I called
> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He set
> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the work
> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an hour
> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it out,
> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later I
> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for the
> overheating and the fan not working.
>
> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just to
> keep the engine cool.
>
> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the fan
> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things that
> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said and
> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can just
> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is it
> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>
> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a tow
> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow package?
> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>
> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>
> Nathan
>
> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
> >
> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
> >
> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan
> >

Mike Romain

Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.

If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
spinning, the clutch needs replacing.

The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
it.

Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.

There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
clutch about a half hour.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

nathantw wrote:
>
> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I called
> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He set
> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the work
> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an hour
> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it out,
> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later I
> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for the
> overheating and the fan not working.
>
> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just to
> keep the engine cool.
>
> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the fan
> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things that
> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said and
> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can just
> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is it
> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>
> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a tow
> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow package?
> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>
> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>
> Nathan
>
> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
> >
> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
> >
> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan
> >

Mike Romain

Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.

If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
spinning, the clutch needs replacing.

The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
it.

Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.

There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
clutch about a half hour.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

nathantw wrote:
>
> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I called
> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He set
> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the work
> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an hour
> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it out,
> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later I
> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for the
> overheating and the fan not working.
>
> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just to
> keep the engine cool.
>
> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the fan
> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things that
> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said and
> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can just
> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is it
> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>
> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a tow
> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow package?
> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>
> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>
> Nathan
>
> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
> >
> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
> >
> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan
> >

Billy Ray

Oh come on now Mike...... they only want to charge $589 for 35 minutes of
labor. That is a pretty good deal from a dealership.

FWIW my 02 WJ has only an full coverage electric fan within a shroud.

Back in the day... I had a K car with an electric fan. When my sensor/relay
died I had no money so I wired the fan motor to the A/C clutch and drove it
that way for the next 5-6 years till I sold the car. I figured that any day
when it was hot enough to overheat the car I would have the A/C running
anyway.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F20FF2.4CDFFCCC@sympatico.ca...
> Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.
>
> If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
> These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
> Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
> engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
> clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
> spinning, the clutch needs replacing.
>
> The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
> high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
> it.
>
> Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
> is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
> leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.
>
> There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
> fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
> clutch about a half hour.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> nathantw wrote:
>>
>> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I
>> called
>> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He
>> set
>> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the
>> work
>> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an
>> hour
>> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it
>> out,
>> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later
>> I
>> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for
>> the
>> overheating and the fan not working.
>>
>> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
>> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
>> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just
>> to
>> keep the engine cool.
>>
>> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the
>> fan
>> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things
>> that
>> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said
>> and
>> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
>> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can
>> just
>> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is
>> it
>> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>>
>> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
>> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a
>> tow
>> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow
>> package?
>> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>>
>> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
>> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
>> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
>> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
>> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
>> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
>> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
>> >
>> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
>> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
>> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
>> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
>> >
>> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
>> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
>> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
>> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
>> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >

Billy Ray

Oh come on now Mike...... they only want to charge $589 for 35 minutes of
labor. That is a pretty good deal from a dealership.

FWIW my 02 WJ has only an full coverage electric fan within a shroud.

Back in the day... I had a K car with an electric fan. When my sensor/relay
died I had no money so I wired the fan motor to the A/C clutch and drove it
that way for the next 5-6 years till I sold the car. I figured that any day
when it was hot enough to overheat the car I would have the A/C running
anyway.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F20FF2.4CDFFCCC@sympatico.ca...
> Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.
>
> If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
> These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
> Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
> engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
> clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
> spinning, the clutch needs replacing.
>
> The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
> high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
> it.
>
> Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
> is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
> leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.
>
> There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
> fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
> clutch about a half hour.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> nathantw wrote:
>>
>> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I
>> called
>> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He
>> set
>> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the
>> work
>> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an
>> hour
>> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it
>> out,
>> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later
>> I
>> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for
>> the
>> overheating and the fan not working.
>>
>> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
>> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
>> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just
>> to
>> keep the engine cool.
>>
>> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the
>> fan
>> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things
>> that
>> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said
>> and
>> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
>> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can
>> just
>> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is
>> it
>> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>>
>> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
>> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a
>> tow
>> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow
>> package?
>> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>>
>> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
>> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
>> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
>> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
>> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
>> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
>> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
>> >
>> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
>> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
>> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
>> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
>> >
>> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
>> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
>> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
>> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
>> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >

Billy Ray

Oh come on now Mike...... they only want to charge $589 for 35 minutes of
labor. That is a pretty good deal from a dealership.

FWIW my 02 WJ has only an full coverage electric fan within a shroud.

Back in the day... I had a K car with an electric fan. When my sensor/relay
died I had no money so I wired the fan motor to the A/C clutch and drove it
that way for the next 5-6 years till I sold the car. I figured that any day
when it was hot enough to overheat the car I would have the A/C running
anyway.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F20FF2.4CDFFCCC@sympatico.ca...
> Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.
>
> If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
> These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
> Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
> engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
> clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
> spinning, the clutch needs replacing.
>
> The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
> high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
> it.
>
> Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
> is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
> leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.
>
> There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
> fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
> clutch about a half hour.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> nathantw wrote:
>>
>> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I
>> called
>> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He
>> set
>> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the
>> work
>> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an
>> hour
>> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it
>> out,
>> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later
>> I
>> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for
>> the
>> overheating and the fan not working.
>>
>> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
>> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
>> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just
>> to
>> keep the engine cool.
>>
>> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the
>> fan
>> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things
>> that
>> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said
>> and
>> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
>> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can
>> just
>> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is
>> it
>> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>>
>> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
>> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a
>> tow
>> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow
>> package?
>> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>>
>> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
>> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
>> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
>> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
>> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
>> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
>> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
>> >
>> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
>> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
>> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
>> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
>> >
>> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
>> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
>> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
>> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
>> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >

Billy Ray

Oh come on now Mike...... they only want to charge $589 for 35 minutes of
labor. That is a pretty good deal from a dealership.

FWIW my 02 WJ has only an full coverage electric fan within a shroud.

Back in the day... I had a K car with an electric fan. When my sensor/relay
died I had no money so I wired the fan motor to the A/C clutch and drove it
that way for the next 5-6 years till I sold the car. I figured that any day
when it was hot enough to overheat the car I would have the A/C running
anyway.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42F20FF2.4CDFFCCC@sympatico.ca...
> Ok, let's back up a minute. Something is wrong here.
>
> If you have an engine driven fan, it has a viscous fluid clutch on it.
> These just plain wear out. I put a new one from the $tealer into my
> Cherokee 5 years ago and it is toast again. To test this, heat up the
> engine and have someone shut it off while you watch the fan. If the
> clutch is good, the fan will stop almost instantly. If the fan keeps on
> spinning, the clutch needs replacing.
>
> The electric fan is an auxiliary fan that comes on with the AC or really
> high temps. My Cherokee doesn't even have one, but it has a place for
> it.
>
> Neither one of these have anything to do with the radiator.... The rad
> is a separate part. Unless it is physically broken from an accident, or
> leaking, you do not need a new one on a 2001 vehicle.
>
> There is no way a shop should take more than an hour to change 'both'
> fans, the electric fan takes about 5 minutes to change, the viscous
> clutch about a half hour.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> nathantw wrote:
>>
>> If any of you were wondering, here's the "conclusion" to the saga. I
>> called
>> the company's headquarters, spoke with the customer service person. He
>> set
>> me up with going to another shop so they could look at the fan and the
>> work
>> done by the other people. I went down there and left the car. After an
>> hour
>> and a half I checked up on them and they were still trying to figure it
>> out,
>> but now they had the "check engine" light on. Finally, a few hours later
>> I
>> got a call that the fan motor was shorting out which was the reason for
>> the
>> overheating and the fan not working.
>>
>> I don't know, I still kind of feel that something happened at the first
>> place, but that's in the past and now I'm stuck with a broken fan and an
>> overheating car. It's tough driving around with the heater blasting just
>> to
>> keep the engine cool.
>>
>> So, the head technician at the new place (really nice guy) said that the
>> fan
>> assembly (with radiator) would cost about $419 plus a few other things
>> that
>> would cost blah, blah, and he dropped the labor price by half. All said
>> and
>> done it would cost me $589 not including tax. Do you think that's a good
>> price? Is the fan really attached to the radiator or is there one I can
>> just
>> bolt in? Is it something I can just take out of the replace myself or is
>> it
>> something that a tech definitely needs to do?
>>
>> One last question, there's a little fan that attaches to the motor that's
>> called a viscous fan. I noticed on my old price list that it's part of a
>> tow
>> package. Does that mean I don't need it since I don't have the tow
>> package?
>> It wouldn't hurt anything if I put it on anyway, right?
>>
>> Again, thank you for all your responses and help.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> "nathantw" <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1123050037.901768.298460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>> >I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
>> > changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
>> > because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
>> > engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
>> > it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
>> > said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
>> > then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
>> >
>> > So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
>> > working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
>> > fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
>> > changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
>> >
>> > I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
>> > sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
>> > Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
>> > "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
>> > hitting the "overheat" zone.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >

tim bur

he might have unplugged the fan????

nathantw wrote:

> I was hoping someone can help. I went to get my radiator coolant
> changed at a shop and when I came back I knew there was a problem
> because my car hood was up. The service guy asked me if I ever had the
> engine overheating and I said never. He said well, it's overheating at
> it's not our fault. He said the radiator fan wasn't working. Well, he
> said that if I can prove that it was working before I brought it in
> then he'd fix it, otherwise it's broken and it wasn't his fault.
>
> So, first, can changing the engine coolant cause the fan to stop
> working? Second, since the radiator fan isn't working, any idea how to
> fix it? I checked the fuses and they're all fine. The service jerk
> changed the top hose and it still didn't work.
>
> I have a Laredo with an I6 4.0L engine. I drove from San Fran to LA,
> sat in 100 degree weather and traffic, drove back in 103 degree heat.
> Filled up with gas numerous times without a problem. Now, since the
> "coolant change" I can't even stop for gas without the engine temp
> hitting the "overheat" zone.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nathan