2001 jeep - emergency brake
10-22-2006, 03:50 AM
#51
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
(like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
in the TJ.
Micah wrote:
> Agreed. If I have to leave it on a hill I do crank the wheels into the
> curb, but I just feel really uneasy about it. Once is enough for me.
> I'm willing to walk a little ways to avoid complete annihilation to my
> Jeep.
doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
(like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
in the TJ.
Micah wrote:
> Agreed. If I have to leave it on a hill I do crank the wheels into the
> curb, but I just feel really uneasy about it. Once is enough for me.
> I'm willing to walk a little ways to avoid complete annihilation to my
> Jeep.
10-22-2006, 03:50 AM
#52
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
(like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
in the TJ.
Micah wrote:
> Agreed. If I have to leave it on a hill I do crank the wheels into the
> curb, but I just feel really uneasy about it. Once is enough for me.
> I'm willing to walk a little ways to avoid complete annihilation to my
> Jeep.
doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
(like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
in the TJ.
Micah wrote:
> Agreed. If I have to leave it on a hill I do crank the wheels into the
> curb, but I just feel really uneasy about it. Once is enough for me.
> I'm willing to walk a little ways to avoid complete annihilation to my
> Jeep.
10-22-2006, 07:37 AM
#53
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
Hi Justin,
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
10-22-2006, 07:37 AM
#54
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
Hi Justin,
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
10-22-2006, 07:37 AM
#55
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
Hi Justin,
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
It's the way drum brakes are designed, which is what you have under
your disk brake is a Real brake to use in emergencies. It's easier to
see on a Real Jeep's Dana 44:
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axl...2/DSCN0913.jpg Rather
than your puny thing: http://www.----------.com/temp/WJparkingBrake.pdf
Looking at the 44 you can see the C clip holding the emergency brake
lever, under the rear shoe (right) which is of course the rear of the
car, the lever when pulled pushes the bar just under the slave cylinder,
expanding the shoes against the drum. when the Jeep is rolling forward
the littler front shoe uses it friction to force the rear larger shoe,
harder against the drum. They are made this way so the shoes will wear
evenly, but going backwards you may see only the littler front shoe is
forced to the drum for less braking power. Clear as mud?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Justin M wrote:
>
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
10-22-2006, 01:13 PM
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
>
What you describe is why vehicles going uphill have the right of way. It is
nearly impossible to control a vehicle backing DOWN a hill unless one knows
what they are doing.
Some vehicles MAY go backwards down a hill better than others, but that is
not the point nor the law. The default action when meeting another vehicle
on a hill is to ALWAYS give the right of way to the one that is going up.
Your experience in your driveway is an excelent illustration as to why this
is so.
And, your parking brake should be capable of holding your vehicle stationary
on any surface. Well, I suppose there are surfaces that are not capable of
supporting a vehicle, but in this case the wheels ought not turn while the
brake is set.
10-22-2006, 01:13 PM
#57
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
>
What you describe is why vehicles going uphill have the right of way. It is
nearly impossible to control a vehicle backing DOWN a hill unless one knows
what they are doing.
Some vehicles MAY go backwards down a hill better than others, but that is
not the point nor the law. The default action when meeting another vehicle
on a hill is to ALWAYS give the right of way to the one that is going up.
Your experience in your driveway is an excelent illustration as to why this
is so.
And, your parking brake should be capable of holding your vehicle stationary
on any surface. Well, I suppose there are surfaces that are not capable of
supporting a vehicle, but in this case the wheels ought not turn while the
brake is set.
10-22-2006, 01:13 PM
#58
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161503437.065169.228220@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> One thing I've noticed about the 2002 TJ is the emergency/parking brake
> doesn't work when you park with the front end pointing uphill. It will
> always roll backwards. If you park front-end pointing downhill it
> won't budge. I've had the thing adjusted multiple times, with no luck.
>
> Of course, I've also discovered that if I try to back down a steep hill
> (like my driveway), I will inevitably slide down, even with the brakes
> activated and the wheels locked. When I go forwards down the hill,
> that doesn't happen. I'm guessing it's how the weight is distributed
> in the TJ.
>
What you describe is why vehicles going uphill have the right of way. It is
nearly impossible to control a vehicle backing DOWN a hill unless one knows
what they are doing.
Some vehicles MAY go backwards down a hill better than others, but that is
not the point nor the law. The default action when meeting another vehicle
on a hill is to ALWAYS give the right of way to the one that is going up.
Your experience in your driveway is an excelent illustration as to why this
is so.
And, your parking brake should be capable of holding your vehicle stationary
on any surface. Well, I suppose there are surfaces that are not capable of
supporting a vehicle, but in this case the wheels ought not turn while the
brake is set.
10-24-2006, 10:13 PM
#59
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
DaveW wrote:
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Jeff Strickland proclaimed:
>>
>>>
>>> "Micah" <mgoodenbour@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161420413.387798.234760@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> If I'm driving something with an automatic and leaving it on a hill (or
>>>> a standard, for that matter) i put the shifter in neutral first, then
>>>> apply the parking/emergency brake, let my foot off the brake pedal, put
>>>> my foot back on the brake pedal, and shift it into park (or 1st. or
>>>> reverse.). the way i see it, it's putting the weight of the car on the
>>>> brakes, which are easily replaced, instead of the drivetrain... not so
>>>> easily replaced.
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, I'm a little obsessive about leaving cars parked on hills...
>>>> It probably dates back to when I was 15 and my parking brake failed...
>>>> I watched my Jeep roll backwards into my mother's living room. Since
>>>> then, I've parked my jeep as many as 20 blocks away from my actual
>>>> destination just to keep it on a level surface. 5 years later and I
>>>> just finished fixing all the body damage three weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would jump through the hoops you do when setting the
>>> parking brake, but I support the idea of placing the weight on the
>>> brakes instead of the drive train. Having said that, I seldom use
>>> the parking brake, but I seldom park on a hill where I am concerned
>>> about the drivetrain strain.
>>
>>
>> Folklore back in the 60s was that the parking pawl in an automatic
>> transmission was extremely fragile and easily broken by the slightest
>> upset and therefore one should always use the parking brake rather
>> than putting the transmission in park.
>>
>
> Agreed, that was the folklore. But in all my days (I'm 44) I've never
> heard of that happening to anyone, and I know a LOT of people who never
> use their parking brake, except on a steep hill. About 5 years ago, when
> I realized that this doesn't actually happen I stopped using the
> parking brake most of the time. Of course in a 91 XJ, it is easy to
> break the cheapo aftermarket (well, sold at dealers, but not factory)
> cup holder when applying the brake.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
That cupholder came prebroken, and it was a big improvement over the
original design!
As long as you keep the hand brake adjusted fairly tight you can keep
from breaking the cupholder (again), but it is a seriously sucky design.
Unless I'm parked on a steep hill I leave my Jeep in first gear and will
point the wheels toward the curb if there is one.
Jeff DeWitt
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Jeff Strickland proclaimed:
>>
>>>
>>> "Micah" <mgoodenbour@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161420413.387798.234760@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> If I'm driving something with an automatic and leaving it on a hill (or
>>>> a standard, for that matter) i put the shifter in neutral first, then
>>>> apply the parking/emergency brake, let my foot off the brake pedal, put
>>>> my foot back on the brake pedal, and shift it into park (or 1st. or
>>>> reverse.). the way i see it, it's putting the weight of the car on the
>>>> brakes, which are easily replaced, instead of the drivetrain... not so
>>>> easily replaced.
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, I'm a little obsessive about leaving cars parked on hills...
>>>> It probably dates back to when I was 15 and my parking brake failed...
>>>> I watched my Jeep roll backwards into my mother's living room. Since
>>>> then, I've parked my jeep as many as 20 blocks away from my actual
>>>> destination just to keep it on a level surface. 5 years later and I
>>>> just finished fixing all the body damage three weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would jump through the hoops you do when setting the
>>> parking brake, but I support the idea of placing the weight on the
>>> brakes instead of the drive train. Having said that, I seldom use
>>> the parking brake, but I seldom park on a hill where I am concerned
>>> about the drivetrain strain.
>>
>>
>> Folklore back in the 60s was that the parking pawl in an automatic
>> transmission was extremely fragile and easily broken by the slightest
>> upset and therefore one should always use the parking brake rather
>> than putting the transmission in park.
>>
>
> Agreed, that was the folklore. But in all my days (I'm 44) I've never
> heard of that happening to anyone, and I know a LOT of people who never
> use their parking brake, except on a steep hill. About 5 years ago, when
> I realized that this doesn't actually happen I stopped using the
> parking brake most of the time. Of course in a 91 XJ, it is easy to
> break the cheapo aftermarket (well, sold at dealers, but not factory)
> cup holder when applying the brake.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
That cupholder came prebroken, and it was a big improvement over the
original design!
As long as you keep the hand brake adjusted fairly tight you can keep
from breaking the cupholder (again), but it is a seriously sucky design.
Unless I'm parked on a steep hill I leave my Jeep in first gear and will
point the wheels toward the curb if there is one.
Jeff DeWitt
10-24-2006, 10:13 PM
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Re: 2001 jeep - emergency brake
DaveW wrote:
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Jeff Strickland proclaimed:
>>
>>>
>>> "Micah" <mgoodenbour@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161420413.387798.234760@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> If I'm driving something with an automatic and leaving it on a hill (or
>>>> a standard, for that matter) i put the shifter in neutral first, then
>>>> apply the parking/emergency brake, let my foot off the brake pedal, put
>>>> my foot back on the brake pedal, and shift it into park (or 1st. or
>>>> reverse.). the way i see it, it's putting the weight of the car on the
>>>> brakes, which are easily replaced, instead of the drivetrain... not so
>>>> easily replaced.
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, I'm a little obsessive about leaving cars parked on hills...
>>>> It probably dates back to when I was 15 and my parking brake failed...
>>>> I watched my Jeep roll backwards into my mother's living room. Since
>>>> then, I've parked my jeep as many as 20 blocks away from my actual
>>>> destination just to keep it on a level surface. 5 years later and I
>>>> just finished fixing all the body damage three weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would jump through the hoops you do when setting the
>>> parking brake, but I support the idea of placing the weight on the
>>> brakes instead of the drive train. Having said that, I seldom use
>>> the parking brake, but I seldom park on a hill where I am concerned
>>> about the drivetrain strain.
>>
>>
>> Folklore back in the 60s was that the parking pawl in an automatic
>> transmission was extremely fragile and easily broken by the slightest
>> upset and therefore one should always use the parking brake rather
>> than putting the transmission in park.
>>
>
> Agreed, that was the folklore. But in all my days (I'm 44) I've never
> heard of that happening to anyone, and I know a LOT of people who never
> use their parking brake, except on a steep hill. About 5 years ago, when
> I realized that this doesn't actually happen I stopped using the
> parking brake most of the time. Of course in a 91 XJ, it is easy to
> break the cheapo aftermarket (well, sold at dealers, but not factory)
> cup holder when applying the brake.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
That cupholder came prebroken, and it was a big improvement over the
original design!
As long as you keep the hand brake adjusted fairly tight you can keep
from breaking the cupholder (again), but it is a seriously sucky design.
Unless I'm parked on a steep hill I leave my Jeep in first gear and will
point the wheels toward the curb if there is one.
Jeff DeWitt
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Jeff Strickland proclaimed:
>>
>>>
>>> "Micah" <mgoodenbour@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161420413.387798.234760@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> If I'm driving something with an automatic and leaving it on a hill (or
>>>> a standard, for that matter) i put the shifter in neutral first, then
>>>> apply the parking/emergency brake, let my foot off the brake pedal, put
>>>> my foot back on the brake pedal, and shift it into park (or 1st. or
>>>> reverse.). the way i see it, it's putting the weight of the car on the
>>>> brakes, which are easily replaced, instead of the drivetrain... not so
>>>> easily replaced.
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, I'm a little obsessive about leaving cars parked on hills...
>>>> It probably dates back to when I was 15 and my parking brake failed...
>>>> I watched my Jeep roll backwards into my mother's living room. Since
>>>> then, I've parked my jeep as many as 20 blocks away from my actual
>>>> destination just to keep it on a level surface. 5 years later and I
>>>> just finished fixing all the body damage three weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would jump through the hoops you do when setting the
>>> parking brake, but I support the idea of placing the weight on the
>>> brakes instead of the drive train. Having said that, I seldom use
>>> the parking brake, but I seldom park on a hill where I am concerned
>>> about the drivetrain strain.
>>
>>
>> Folklore back in the 60s was that the parking pawl in an automatic
>> transmission was extremely fragile and easily broken by the slightest
>> upset and therefore one should always use the parking brake rather
>> than putting the transmission in park.
>>
>
> Agreed, that was the folklore. But in all my days (I'm 44) I've never
> heard of that happening to anyone, and I know a LOT of people who never
> use their parking brake, except on a steep hill. About 5 years ago, when
> I realized that this doesn't actually happen I stopped using the
> parking brake most of the time. Of course in a 91 XJ, it is easy to
> break the cheapo aftermarket (well, sold at dealers, but not factory)
> cup holder when applying the brake.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
That cupholder came prebroken, and it was a big improvement over the
original design!
As long as you keep the hand brake adjusted fairly tight you can keep
from breaking the cupholder (again), but it is a seriously sucky design.
Unless I'm parked on a steep hill I leave my Jeep in first gear and will
point the wheels toward the curb if there is one.
Jeff DeWitt