L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time"
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SoK66 wrote:
>
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.

Matt Macchiarolo

3550's uses its own formulation of lube, aftermarket equivalent is Pennzoil
Syncromesh.

"SoK66" <SoK66@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:crij8p022ds@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> > Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> > essentially at an end.
> >
> > The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync
problem
> > was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put
in
> > the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> > source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> > out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are
drastically
> > reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> > PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> > remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> > into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> > annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> > miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> > (cumulative).
> >
> > After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> > alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> > commuting anyway.
> >
> > The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> > some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> > rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> > did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> > eliminated the problems.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> > problems.
> >
> > --
> > Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> > "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> >> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> >> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> >> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> >> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> >> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> >> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> >> warranty)
> >>
> >> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> >> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
to
> >> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> >> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> >> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
up
> >> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> >> synchronized.
> >>
> >> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> >> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to
adjust
> >> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
> >> transmission?
> >> --
> >> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

3550's uses its own formulation of lube, aftermarket equivalent is Pennzoil
Syncromesh.

"SoK66" <SoK66@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:crij8p022ds@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> > Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> > essentially at an end.
> >
> > The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync
problem
> > was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put
in
> > the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> > source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> > out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are
drastically
> > reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> > PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> > remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> > into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> > annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> > miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> > (cumulative).
> >
> > After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> > alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> > commuting anyway.
> >
> > The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> > some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> > rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> > did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> > eliminated the problems.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> > problems.
> >
> > --
> > Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> > "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> >> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> >> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> >> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> >> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> >> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> >> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> >> warranty)
> >>
> >> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> >> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
to
> >> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> >> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> >> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
up
> >> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> >> synchronized.
> >>
> >> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> >> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to
adjust
> >> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
> >> transmission?
> >> --
> >> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

3550's uses its own formulation of lube, aftermarket equivalent is Pennzoil
Syncromesh.

"SoK66" <SoK66@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:crij8p022ds@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> > Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> > essentially at an end.
> >
> > The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync
problem
> > was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put
in
> > the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> > source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> > out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are
drastically
> > reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> > PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> > remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> > into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> > annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> > miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> > (cumulative).
> >
> > After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> > alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> > commuting anyway.
> >
> > The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> > some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> > rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> > did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> > eliminated the problems.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> > problems.
> >
> > --
> > Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> > "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> >> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> >> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> >> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> >> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> >> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> >> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> >> warranty)
> >>
> >> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> >> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
to
> >> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> >> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> >> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
up
> >> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> >> synchronized.
> >>
> >> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> >> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to
adjust
> >> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
> >> transmission?
> >> --
> >> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

SoK66

> "Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time" >

Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
not fixing the real problem.

What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
"adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.

SoK66

> "Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time" >

Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
not fixing the real problem.

What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
"adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.

SoK66

> "Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time" >

Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
not fixing the real problem.

What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
"adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Dealer"
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

SoK66 wrote:
>
> Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
> not fixing the real problem.
>
> What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
> "adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
> these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Dealer"
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

SoK66 wrote:
>
> Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
> not fixing the real problem.
>
> What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
> "adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
> these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Dealer"
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

SoK66 wrote:
>
> Which is why I'm asking. After the second repair failed it's obvious they're
> not fixing the real problem.
>
> What he's complaining about isn't a common fault with these gearboxes, but
> "adding the wrong oil" is, and when high-sulphur oil is installed in any of
> these boxes the issue he has with gear clash is exactly the symptom.