"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:19:34 -0700, Petrajn <Jpetrachkoff@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It
>>also grinds when going to 4L. Going to neutral in the tranny helps but
>>it does not seem right.
>
>
> SHifting into 4x4 low can be a bit challanging at time to do it and
> avoid crunching. THeir are two methods to use. THe first is to leat
> vehcile roll at 2 to 5 MPG amd make shift quickly during this time to
> 4LO. THe second method that I use all the time is to stop vehicle and
> firmily hold brakes and place in park and still firmly hold brakes and
> then firmly shift into 4LO. This works maybe 98% of the time but
> occaisionally it may no align properly to complete shift. If this
> happens, place tranny in neutral for a a second or less and then back
> to park and complete shift keeping brake on all the time. When you
> hold brake and then place in park it takes drive train preload off
> Tcase and tranny will send some drive through even in neutral (enough
> to spin gears when shifting and cause them to clash sometimes hence
> the method listed above) The second method works from 4LO to 2 or 4 HI
> too.

Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
speed

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:qhg1939s91lu5f781sclr2bqtnidp4ntop@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:19:34 -0700, Petrajn <Jpetrachkoff@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It
>>also grinds when going to 4L. Going to neutral in the tranny helps but
>>it does not seem right.
>
>
> SHifting into 4x4 low can be a bit challanging at time to do it and
> avoid crunching. THeir are two methods to use. THe first is to leat
> vehcile roll at 2 to 5 MPG amd make shift quickly during this time to
> 4LO. THe second method that I use all the time is to stop vehicle and
> firmily hold brakes and place in park and still firmly hold brakes and
> then firmly shift into 4LO. This works maybe 98% of the time but
> occaisionally it may no align properly to complete shift. If this
> happens, place tranny in neutral for a a second or less and then back
> to park and complete shift keeping brake on all the time. When you
> hold brake and then place in park it takes drive train preload off
> Tcase and tranny will send some drive through even in neutral (enough
> to spin gears when shifting and cause them to clash sometimes hence
> the method listed above) The second method works from 4LO to 2 or 4 HI
> too.

Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
speed

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:qhg1939s91lu5f781sclr2bqtnidp4ntop@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:19:34 -0700, Petrajn <Jpetrachkoff@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It
>>also grinds when going to 4L. Going to neutral in the tranny helps but
>>it does not seem right.
>
>
> SHifting into 4x4 low can be a bit challanging at time to do it and
> avoid crunching. THeir are two methods to use. THe first is to leat
> vehcile roll at 2 to 5 MPG amd make shift quickly during this time to
> 4LO. THe second method that I use all the time is to stop vehicle and
> firmily hold brakes and place in park and still firmly hold brakes and
> then firmly shift into 4LO. This works maybe 98% of the time but
> occaisionally it may no align properly to complete shift. If this
> happens, place tranny in neutral for a a second or less and then back
> to park and complete shift keeping brake on all the time. When you
> hold brake and then place in park it takes drive train preload off
> Tcase and tranny will send some drive through even in neutral (enough
> to spin gears when shifting and cause them to clash sometimes hence
> the method listed above) The second method works from 4LO to 2 or 4 HI
> too.

Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
speed

 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
last 10 years and more doing this.




>All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
>select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
>syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
>speed


Again there is the moving way that can grind and there is the no grind
method that I use. I guess if you like grinding them, use his method
here.
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
last 10 years and more doing this.




>All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
>select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
>syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
>speed


Again there is the moving way that can grind and there is the no grind
method that I use. I guess if you like grinding them, use his method
here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
last 10 years and more doing this.




>All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
>select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
>syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
>speed


Again there is the moving way that can grind and there is the no grind
method that I use. I guess if you like grinding them, use his method
here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.

There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
last 10 years and more doing this.




>All you need do is come to a stop, or very slow -- say, walking speed -- and
>select N on the transmission and 4LO. The gears in the tcase are not
>syncronized so they are likely to grind a bit unless they are going the same
>speed


Again there is the moving way that can grind and there is the no grind
method that I use. I guess if you like grinding them, use his method
here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:3hj293td4chso436nproeuui9v5lskkgq0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.
>
> There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
> everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
> out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
> of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
> last 10 years and more doing this.
>
>
>


You can shift into and out of 4HI as often as you want, you dont' even need
to slow down -- much less stop. All you need is to have the front hubs
locked -- if that is an option for you. Shifting into and out of 4HI on the
fly is a sales feature of the TJ and YJ, and the CJ is capable of the same
if the hubs are prepared first by locking them at the trail head (mine were
locked in my driveway once, and never unlocked since but that's just me I
suppose).

If the vehicle is not in danger of moving, then the brakes are not required
to select 4LO. You can stomp your feet and get red in the face as much as
you want, but the fact is, there is no need to stand on the brake pedal if
the vehicle is not going to move otherwise. It does not hurt to stand on the
brake, but it is not required.

Park might be a requirement, but the brakes are not. I think that Neutral is
the requirement though. I just went out and checked, and Neutral is the
proper gear to select to engage 4LO. In my CJ5 (with a manual transmission)
I frequently must select 1st or 2nd and release the clutch a bit to move the
gears in the tcase so that the shift lever will move, using this logic, Park
would be the wrong gear to use. If you are having trouble selecting 4LO
while the transmission is in Park, try selecting Neutral, then selecting
4LO.

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:3hj293td4chso436nproeuui9v5lskkgq0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.
>
> There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
> everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
> out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
> of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
> last 10 years and more doing this.
>
>
>


You can shift into and out of 4HI as often as you want, you dont' even need
to slow down -- much less stop. All you need is to have the front hubs
locked -- if that is an option for you. Shifting into and out of 4HI on the
fly is a sales feature of the TJ and YJ, and the CJ is capable of the same
if the hubs are prepared first by locking them at the trail head (mine were
locked in my driveway once, and never unlocked since but that's just me I
suppose).

If the vehicle is not in danger of moving, then the brakes are not required
to select 4LO. You can stomp your feet and get red in the face as much as
you want, but the fact is, there is no need to stand on the brake pedal if
the vehicle is not going to move otherwise. It does not hurt to stand on the
brake, but it is not required.

Park might be a requirement, but the brakes are not. I think that Neutral is
the requirement though. I just went out and checked, and Neutral is the
proper gear to select to engage 4LO. In my CJ5 (with a manual transmission)
I frequently must select 1st or 2nd and release the clutch a bit to move the
gears in the tcase so that the shift lever will move, using this logic, Park
would be the wrong gear to use. If you are having trouble selecting 4LO
while the transmission is in Park, try selecting Neutral, then selecting
4LO.

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:3hj293td4chso436nproeuui9v5lskkgq0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:02:30 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Unless there is danger of the vehicle rolling, there is no reason to apply
>>the brakes. And, a slight roll is good for the effort to select 4LO.
>
> There is if you want to use the method above because my why freezes
> everything with brakes and park. BTW during winter I may shift in and
> out of 4x4 20 to 30 times a day plowing snow and maybe half that amout
> of more into lo range is snow is tuff. I cannot have it clashing and
> last 10 years and more doing this.
>
>
>


You can shift into and out of 4HI as often as you want, you dont' even need
to slow down -- much less stop. All you need is to have the front hubs
locked -- if that is an option for you. Shifting into and out of 4HI on the
fly is a sales feature of the TJ and YJ, and the CJ is capable of the same
if the hubs are prepared first by locking them at the trail head (mine were
locked in my driveway once, and never unlocked since but that's just me I
suppose).

If the vehicle is not in danger of moving, then the brakes are not required
to select 4LO. You can stomp your feet and get red in the face as much as
you want, but the fact is, there is no need to stand on the brake pedal if
the vehicle is not going to move otherwise. It does not hurt to stand on the
brake, but it is not required.

Park might be a requirement, but the brakes are not. I think that Neutral is
the requirement though. I just went out and checked, and Neutral is the
proper gear to select to engage 4LO. In my CJ5 (with a manual transmission)
I frequently must select 1st or 2nd and release the clutch a bit to move the
gears in the tcase so that the shift lever will move, using this logic, Park
would be the wrong gear to use. If you are having trouble selecting 4LO
while the transmission is in Park, try selecting Neutral, then selecting
4LO.