travis

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:16:26 GMT, Lon Stowell
<LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> shared the following:

>Approximately 11/18/03 12:58, Smegma Breath uttered for posterity:
>
>> Hey, hey, hey.... I am one of those Jeep owners that use 'public roads'
>> only to get to the 'off road'. That also includes being out in the middle
>> of nowhere when the sun goes down. Using the fog lights along with the high
>> beams will allow me to see better in at night while I am trying to find my
>> way through the woods and so on. My intention is not to use the fog lights
>> with high beams on public roads. Idiot? Hey man, I can't be too
>> stupid.....I own a Jeep!
>
> Goddammit, who sold this bozo a Jeep without first giving him
> the IQ test? Yes, I know, a bucket a rocks could pass that
> test, but some folks just are TSTL.

I didn't read the whole thread but what did he say that was so wrong?
Sounded like he just wanted some fog lights to use off-road and was
asking how to make them work the way he wanted. Maybe his nickname is
what got other people to start acting so hostile towards him?



--
Travis
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The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

twaldron

Yes, it's that breath! WHEW!! Do NOT go in there!! :)

> I didn't read the whole thread but what did he say that was so wrong?
> Sounded like he just wanted some fog lights to use off-road and was
> asking how to make them work the way he wanted. Maybe his nickname is
> what got other people to start acting so hostile towards him?


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__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Yes, it's that breath! WHEW!! Do NOT go in there!! :)

> I didn't read the whole thread but what did he say that was so wrong?
> Sounded like he just wanted some fog lights to use off-road and was
> asking how to make them work the way he wanted. Maybe his nickname is
> what got other people to start acting so hostile towards him?


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Yes, it's that breath! WHEW!! Do NOT go in there!! :)

> I didn't read the whole thread but what did he say that was so wrong?
> Sounded like he just wanted some fog lights to use off-road and was
> asking how to make them work the way he wanted. Maybe his nickname is
> what got other people to start acting so hostile towards him?


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I thought I was the only one whom wired low and high beams
together. I worried a little about whether my alternator would keep up
idling over the dunes, but they never dimmed:
http://----------.com/comphill.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

mabar wrote:
>
> I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
> those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
> lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
> throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
> headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
> your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
> because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.
>
> Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
> beams.
>
> It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
> high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
> of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
> any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.
>
> When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
> high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
> especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.
>
> Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:
>
> On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
> follow these instructions:
>
> Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
> a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
>
> Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
> the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
> re-inserted.
>
> Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> either low beam or high beam headlights.
>
> On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
> the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
> (it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
>
> On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
> are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
> www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
> the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
> high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
> systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> Works great.
>
> Tom

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I thought I was the only one whom wired low and high beams
together. I worried a little about whether my alternator would keep up
idling over the dunes, but they never dimmed:
http://----------.com/comphill.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

mabar wrote:
>
> I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
> those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
> lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
> throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
> headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
> your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
> because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.
>
> Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
> beams.
>
> It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
> high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
> of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
> any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.
>
> When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
> high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
> especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.
>
> Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:
>
> On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
> follow these instructions:
>
> Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
> a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
>
> Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
> the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
> re-inserted.
>
> Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> either low beam or high beam headlights.
>
> On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
> the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
> (it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
>
> On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
> are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
> www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
> the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
> high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
> systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> Works great.
>
> Tom

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I thought I was the only one whom wired low and high beams
together. I worried a little about whether my alternator would keep up
idling over the dunes, but they never dimmed:
http://----------.com/comphill.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

mabar wrote:
>
> I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
> those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
> lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
> throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
> headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
> your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
> because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.
>
> Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
> beams.
>
> It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
> high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
> of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
> any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.
>
> When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
> high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
> especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.
>
> Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:
>
> On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
> follow these instructions:
>
> Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
> passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
> a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.
>
> Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
> the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
> relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
> re-inserted.
>
> Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
> either low beam or high beam headlights.
>
> On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
> the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
> (it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
> pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.
>
> On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
> are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
> www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
> the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
> high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
> systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
> Works great.
>
> Tom

mabar

I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.

Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
beams.

It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.

When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.

Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:

On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
follow these instructions:



Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.



Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
re-inserted.



Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
either low beam or high beam headlights.



On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
(it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.



On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
Works great.



Tom


"Smegma Breath" <tchilson@penn.com> wrote in message
news:MWtub.6759$Rk5.447@newsread1.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport with factory fog lights. I notice that
if
> you are using the fog lights and you use the high beams, the fog lights
> become disabled as long as you have the high beams on. I found "mod"
> instructions to allow the fog lights to be on with the high beams. The
> instructions are as follow:
>
>
>
> "On your 2000 the relays are behind the glove box. Take it out and look to
> the firewall, the #2 relay is the one on the right closest to the outside
of
> the Jeep. Pull the relay straight up, the pins are labeled, but you will
> need someone with good eyes or use a magnifying glass (look close, the #'s
> are there) bend the #1 pin back instead of cutting it off and then you
could
> reverse it back to stock later if you want."
>
>
>
> I have 2 questions: 1) Are these procedures correct and 2) Is this
> modification street legal?
>
>

mabar

I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.

Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
beams.

It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.

When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.

Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:

On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
follow these instructions:



Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.



Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
re-inserted.



Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
either low beam or high beam headlights.



On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
(it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.



On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
Works great.



Tom


"Smegma Breath" <tchilson@penn.com> wrote in message
news:MWtub.6759$Rk5.447@newsread1.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport with factory fog lights. I notice that
if
> you are using the fog lights and you use the high beams, the fog lights
> become disabled as long as you have the high beams on. I found "mod"
> instructions to allow the fog lights to be on with the high beams. The
> instructions are as follow:
>
>
>
> "On your 2000 the relays are behind the glove box. Take it out and look to
> the firewall, the #2 relay is the one on the right closest to the outside
of
> the Jeep. Pull the relay straight up, the pins are labeled, but you will
> need someone with good eyes or use a magnifying glass (look close, the #'s
> are there) bend the #1 pin back instead of cutting it off and then you
could
> reverse it back to stock later if you want."
>
>
>
> I have 2 questions: 1) Are these procedures correct and 2) Is this
> modification street legal?
>
>

mabar

I have read this entire thread and can't understand why you got some of
those nasty responses. You asked a legitimate question. It's true that fog
lights are designed to be able to see better in fog. Adjusted properly, they
throw a wide, low beam and are much more effective in fog than regular
headlights. In heavy fog, you should slow down, and use your fogs along with
your parking lights, NOT headlights. Headlights can be blinding in heavy fog
because so much light is reflected back into the driver's eyes.

Your question was not about fog, it was about using the fogs with the high
beams.

It is NOT, repeat NOT illegal to have your fog lights on along with your
high beams. In fact in Ohio, you can have a total of 5 lights on the front
of a vehicle lighted while on a roadway. They can be headlights, along with
any combination of auxiliary lights, fogs included.

When driving off-road, especially on dark forest trails or roads, I use my
high beams and fogs to get as much light as possible. The fogs are
especially good for lighting the sides of the road to help avoid deer, etc.

Here are the directions for getting your fogs to work with your high beams:

On the ’01 or ‘02 TJ, to get the fog lights to stay on with the high beams,
follow these instructions:



Find the #35 fog lamp relay inside the main fuse box, which is on the
passenger side of the engine under the hood. The relay is clearly marked on
a diagram on the inside cover of the main fuse box.



Pull the relay straight up and out of the socket. Carefully and slowly bend
the #1 pin (it's marked) 180 degrees around to the side of the plastic
relay, so it will not make contact with its female socket when the relay is
re-inserted.



Re-insert the relay and you're done. You can now turn on the fogs with
either low beam or high beam headlights.



On 1997-2000 TJs the relay is located behind the glove box door. You remove
the glove box door and pull relay #2 (the one on the right) and bend pin #1
(it’s labeled.) Put the relay back in and test. If you have no fogs you
pulled the wrong relay. Just switch them and it should work.



On another subject, for those who want more light when the bright headlights
are on, install a KC Hilites Quad Beam Conversion Kit. It’s part #6314 at
www.kchilites.com. This allows the low beam filaments to stay on along with
the high beam filaments. The factory setup turns off the low filament when
high beams are turned on. It works for 2-headlight systems and 4-headlight
systems. I did this on my 1994 Chevy Van, 1999 Chevy Van and my 2002 TJ.
Works great.



Tom


"Smegma Breath" <tchilson@penn.com> wrote in message
news:MWtub.6759$Rk5.447@newsread1.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport with factory fog lights. I notice that
if
> you are using the fog lights and you use the high beams, the fog lights
> become disabled as long as you have the high beams on. I found "mod"
> instructions to allow the fog lights to be on with the high beams. The
> instructions are as follow:
>
>
>
> "On your 2000 the relays are behind the glove box. Take it out and look to
> the firewall, the #2 relay is the one on the right closest to the outside
of
> the Jeep. Pull the relay straight up, the pins are labeled, but you will
> need someone with good eyes or use a magnifying glass (look close, the #'s
> are there) bend the #1 pin back instead of cutting it off and then you
could
> reverse it back to stock later if you want."
>
>
>
> I have 2 questions: 1) Are these procedures correct and 2) Is this
> modification street legal?
>
>