"Dave Shannon" <daveshanremovethecable@coxcable.net> wrote in message
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>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vrsti2n512t368@corp.supernews.com...
> > I once owned a Touring Class Yamaha, and the lighting system cam on
after
> > the engine started. If the engine was switched off, then the lights died
> > until the engine came back on again. Surely, Detroit et al can design a
> > lighting system that comes on with the engine and shuts itself off again
> > after the engine goes dead. Why did they give us DTRs when they could
have
> > given us Auto-ON headlights that do the same thing, but do it better?
>
> Ford now owns a company who had lights that would do that back in 1986.
If
> you left the lights on all the time they came on with the switch, went off
> when cranking and back on once the switch returned to the run position,
turn
> the car off and everything went dark till next time. I'll give you a
hint,
> it was a company known for safety (legit) and bad drivers (not always
> true:-)
> Dave S
> 01 TJ
>

The name of that company is Vulva, right?



>

 

"Dave Shannon" <daveshanremovethecable@coxcable.net> wrote in message
news:%lyvb.5146$Bk1.3987@fed1read05...
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vrsti2n512t368@corp.supernews.com...
> > I once owned a Touring Class Yamaha, and the lighting system cam on
after
> > the engine started. If the engine was switched off, then the lights died
> > until the engine came back on again. Surely, Detroit et al can design a
> > lighting system that comes on with the engine and shuts itself off again
> > after the engine goes dead. Why did they give us DTRs when they could
have
> > given us Auto-ON headlights that do the same thing, but do it better?
>
> Ford now owns a company who had lights that would do that back in 1986.
If
> you left the lights on all the time they came on with the switch, went off
> when cranking and back on once the switch returned to the run position,
turn
> the car off and everything went dark till next time. I'll give you a
hint,
> it was a company known for safety (legit) and bad drivers (not always
> true:-)
> Dave S
> 01 TJ
>

The name of that company is Vulva, right?



>

 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031122212332.23171.00002270@mb-m05.aol.com...
> In article <vrsti2n512t368@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR"
<beerman@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> >Why did they give us DTRs when they could have
> >given us Auto-ON headlights that do the same thing, but do it better?
>
> Probably has to do with trying to extend the life of the headlamps if they
are
> going to be on whenever the vehicle is running.
> * * *


Maybe. But I have been driving for coming up on 35 years, and I don't think
I have replace more than 10 headlamps, and half of them were replaced simply
because I replaced the one on the other side. I don't think that headlamp
life is a very serious issue.

BTW,
I borrowed my neighbors base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and it had
headlamps that came on and went off automatically with the change od status
of the engine. I like this much better than DTRs.

 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031122212332.23171.00002270@mb-m05.aol.com...
> In article <vrsti2n512t368@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR"
<beerman@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> >Why did they give us DTRs when they could have
> >given us Auto-ON headlights that do the same thing, but do it better?
>
> Probably has to do with trying to extend the life of the headlamps if they
are
> going to be on whenever the vehicle is running.
> * * *


Maybe. But I have been driving for coming up on 35 years, and I don't think
I have replace more than 10 headlamps, and half of them were replaced simply
because I replaced the one on the other side. I don't think that headlamp
life is a very serious issue.

BTW,
I borrowed my neighbors base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and it had
headlamps that came on and went off automatically with the change od status
of the engine. I like this much better than DTRs.

 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031122212332.23171.00002270@mb-m05.aol.com...
> In article <vrsti2n512t368@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR"
<beerman@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> >Why did they give us DTRs when they could have
> >given us Auto-ON headlights that do the same thing, but do it better?
>
> Probably has to do with trying to extend the life of the headlamps if they
are
> going to be on whenever the vehicle is running.
> * * *


Maybe. But I have been driving for coming up on 35 years, and I don't think
I have replace more than 10 headlamps, and half of them were replaced simply
because I replaced the one on the other side. I don't think that headlamp
life is a very serious issue.

BTW,
I borrowed my neighbors base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and it had
headlamps that came on and went off automatically with the change od status
of the engine. I like this much better than DTRs.

 

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8Yzvb.12439$Rk5.3676@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I actually have just this on my 98 Toyota Sienna minivan. There is a
> setting on the stalk that turns on the lights and then turns them off when
> the key is turned off and the door opened. I love it and wish I had this
on
> my TJ. It uses the LOW beams, thank goodness, and has the rear lights on
as
> well for additional safety. If there is one thing I cannot stand is high
> beam DRLs that assault my eyes regularly. Whoever thought of that should
be
> made to drive into high beam DRL traffic constantly.
>
> The one problem with the Sienna set-up is that if I turn on the lights and
> do not open the door I need to remember to open the door to turn the
lights
> off (or do it manually). I have run out the battery because of
> this.....such a case would be starting the engine from the passenger seat
> and then turning it off from that seat and leaving, never opening the
> driver's door. Who would do such a stupid thing? Me. More than once,
lol.
> Tomes
>

I drove a base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and its headlamps behaved
as you describe. The turn signal stalk has the normal On/Off switch, but if
the lights are ON when the motor is OFF and the door is open, then the
lights turn OFF also. Very cool ...


The whole passenger-seat key-turning-thing makes me scratch my head. Maybe
the system should look at either the driver door or the passenger door
opening to turn the lights off. Hmmm ...





> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vrsgp3dd3r2v6a@corp.supernews.com...
> > I never understood DTRs. If we need lights in the day time, and I accept
> the
> > notion that we do, then why not just have a circuit that turns the
lights
> on
> > after the motor starts? If the lights turned on with the engine, then
the
> > driver would only have to concern him/herself with deciding if high
beams
> or
> > low beams were needed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:iZcvb.15139$iT4.1823402@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > Canada has running lights that are constantly 'on'.. unfortunately,
many
> > > Canadians think that these are acceptable in bad conditions.. what
about
> > the
> > > @#&$ing rear? Many Ontarian drivers are obviously not choir members..
> > >
> > > --
> > > History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
> > >
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:unbvb.333$Gj2.140@okepread01...
> > > > CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > You are preaching to the chior, Mike.
> > > > >
> > > > > I frequently turn my headlamps on just because I can.
> > > >
> > > > What amazes me is that some people don't know
> > > > to turn the headlights on when they are driving
> > > > down two-lane highway in the daytime. Without
> > > > those lights oncoming drivers can not see you.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > DougW
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

 

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8Yzvb.12439$Rk5.3676@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I actually have just this on my 98 Toyota Sienna minivan. There is a
> setting on the stalk that turns on the lights and then turns them off when
> the key is turned off and the door opened. I love it and wish I had this
on
> my TJ. It uses the LOW beams, thank goodness, and has the rear lights on
as
> well for additional safety. If there is one thing I cannot stand is high
> beam DRLs that assault my eyes regularly. Whoever thought of that should
be
> made to drive into high beam DRL traffic constantly.
>
> The one problem with the Sienna set-up is that if I turn on the lights and
> do not open the door I need to remember to open the door to turn the
lights
> off (or do it manually). I have run out the battery because of
> this.....such a case would be starting the engine from the passenger seat
> and then turning it off from that seat and leaving, never opening the
> driver's door. Who would do such a stupid thing? Me. More than once,
lol.
> Tomes
>

I drove a base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and its headlamps behaved
as you describe. The turn signal stalk has the normal On/Off switch, but if
the lights are ON when the motor is OFF and the door is open, then the
lights turn OFF also. Very cool ...


The whole passenger-seat key-turning-thing makes me scratch my head. Maybe
the system should look at either the driver door or the passenger door
opening to turn the lights off. Hmmm ...





> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vrsgp3dd3r2v6a@corp.supernews.com...
> > I never understood DTRs. If we need lights in the day time, and I accept
> the
> > notion that we do, then why not just have a circuit that turns the
lights
> on
> > after the motor starts? If the lights turned on with the engine, then
the
> > driver would only have to concern him/herself with deciding if high
beams
> or
> > low beams were needed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:iZcvb.15139$iT4.1823402@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > Canada has running lights that are constantly 'on'.. unfortunately,
many
> > > Canadians think that these are acceptable in bad conditions.. what
about
> > the
> > > @#&$ing rear? Many Ontarian drivers are obviously not choir members..
> > >
> > > --
> > > History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
> > >
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:unbvb.333$Gj2.140@okepread01...
> > > > CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > You are preaching to the chior, Mike.
> > > > >
> > > > > I frequently turn my headlamps on just because I can.
> > > >
> > > > What amazes me is that some people don't know
> > > > to turn the headlights on when they are driving
> > > > down two-lane highway in the daytime. Without
> > > > those lights oncoming drivers can not see you.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > DougW
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

 

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8Yzvb.12439$Rk5.3676@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I actually have just this on my 98 Toyota Sienna minivan. There is a
> setting on the stalk that turns on the lights and then turns them off when
> the key is turned off and the door opened. I love it and wish I had this
on
> my TJ. It uses the LOW beams, thank goodness, and has the rear lights on
as
> well for additional safety. If there is one thing I cannot stand is high
> beam DRLs that assault my eyes regularly. Whoever thought of that should
be
> made to drive into high beam DRL traffic constantly.
>
> The one problem with the Sienna set-up is that if I turn on the lights and
> do not open the door I need to remember to open the door to turn the
lights
> off (or do it manually). I have run out the battery because of
> this.....such a case would be starting the engine from the passenger seat
> and then turning it off from that seat and leaving, never opening the
> driver's door. Who would do such a stupid thing? Me. More than once,
lol.
> Tomes
>

I drove a base model Toyota Tacoma this weekend, and its headlamps behaved
as you describe. The turn signal stalk has the normal On/Off switch, but if
the lights are ON when the motor is OFF and the door is open, then the
lights turn OFF also. Very cool ...


The whole passenger-seat key-turning-thing makes me scratch my head. Maybe
the system should look at either the driver door or the passenger door
opening to turn the lights off. Hmmm ...





> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vrsgp3dd3r2v6a@corp.supernews.com...
> > I never understood DTRs. If we need lights in the day time, and I accept
> the
> > notion that we do, then why not just have a circuit that turns the
lights
> on
> > after the motor starts? If the lights turned on with the engine, then
the
> > driver would only have to concern him/herself with deciding if high
beams
> or
> > low beams were needed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:iZcvb.15139$iT4.1823402@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > Canada has running lights that are constantly 'on'.. unfortunately,
many
> > > Canadians think that these are acceptable in bad conditions.. what
about
> > the
> > > @#&$ing rear? Many Ontarian drivers are obviously not choir members..
> > >
> > > --
> > > History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
> > >
> > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > > news:unbvb.333$Gj2.140@okepread01...
> > > > CRWLR did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > You are preaching to the chior, Mike.
> > > > >
> > > > > I frequently turn my headlamps on just because I can.
> > > >
> > > > What amazes me is that some people don't know
> > > > to turn the headlights on when they are driving
> > > > down two-lane highway in the daytime. Without
> > > > those lights oncoming drivers can not see you.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > DougW
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Shannon" <daveshanremovethecable@coxcable.net> wrote in message

> > it was a company known for safety (legit) and bad drivers (not always
> > true:-)
> > Dave S
> > 01 TJ
> >
>
> The name of that company is Vulva, right?

And the winner is . . . CRWLER
Dave

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vs4skdnhpfcpbd@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Dave Shannon" <daveshanremovethecable@coxcable.net> wrote in message

> > it was a company known for safety (legit) and bad drivers (not always
> > true:-)
> > Dave S
> > 01 TJ
> >
>
> The name of that company is Vulva, right?

And the winner is . . . CRWLER
Dave