#2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Got the piston out. Just tapped on the rod bolt a couple of times and it
loosened up. Came right out of the cylinder, no ridge, no problem.

Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what the
pic might tell you would be appreciated.

http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2a.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2b.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...berrings2a.jpg

Thanks,


Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
wrote:


>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.



the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
look the same...

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
wrote:


>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.



the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
look the same...

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
wrote:


>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.



the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
look the same...

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?


"Irish Redneck" <seeayeemm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:opr33ke6msy2qpcc@netnews.insightbb.com...
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> > the
> > pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
> bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
> look the same...
>
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?


"Irish Redneck" <seeayeemm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:opr33ke6msy2qpcc@netnews.insightbb.com...
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> > the
> > pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
> bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
> look the same...
>
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?


"Irish Redneck" <seeayeemm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:opr33ke6msy2qpcc@netnews.insightbb.com...
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:11:36 -0800, William Oliveri <wuji@bigvalley.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
> > the
> > pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> the piston looks bad, but really bothers me is the condition of that rod
> bearing! that thing is junk. i would assume that all of the rod bearings
> look the same...
>
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Yes, .010

"through the babit"?

How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?

Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?


Thanks,



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Yes, .010

"through the babit"?

How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?

Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?


Thanks,



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Yes, .010

"through the babit"?

How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?

Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?


Thanks,



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
didn't pick that up right away.

Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?

Thanks,

Bill


I have 3 more pics. Two of the piston without rings (both sides) and the
rings separate.

I left these at a higher resolution to show detail (about 200k each).

http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2c.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2d.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...s/rings_2a.jpg



"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1r2r4$1l7og3$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> > It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> > long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> > same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
didn't pick that up right away.

Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?

Thanks,

Bill


I have 3 more pics. Two of the piston without rings (both sides) and the
rings separate.

I left these at a higher resolution to show detail (about 200k each).

http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2c.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2d.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...s/rings_2a.jpg



"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1r2r4$1l7og3$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> > It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> > long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> > same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
didn't pick that up right away.

Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?

Thanks,

Bill


I have 3 more pics. Two of the piston without rings (both sides) and the
rings separate.

I left these at a higher resolution to show detail (about 200k each).

http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2c.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2d.jpg
http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...s/rings_2a.jpg



"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1r2r4$1l7og3$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40410D39.CD5857C7@cox.net...
> > It's though the babit, at least two hundred thousand miles. But as
> > long as none of the others are through the copper, then just buy the
> > same size inserts, what do they say on the back, .010?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > what's the problem with the rod bearings? What looks bad about them?
>
>

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
You are color blind. Babit is the soft gray stuff we may mark with
our finger nail, that is plated to the copper plated insert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
> Thanks,

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
You are color blind. Babit is the soft gray stuff we may mark with
our finger nail, that is plated to the copper plated insert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
> Thanks,

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
You are color blind. Babit is the soft gray stuff we may mark with
our finger nail, that is plated to the copper plated insert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Yes, .010
>
> "through the babit"?
>
> How can you tell they look "babitized"? Is it the thickness, wear?
>
> Also, there is one that is loose and the other that's attached to the rod.
> The one attached to the rod comes off, correct?
>
> Thanks,

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
and put bearings in them all.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> didn't pick that up right away.
>
> Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
and put bearings in them all.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> didn't pick that up right away.
>
> Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
and put bearings in them all.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> didn't pick that up right away.
>
> Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Thanks for the help Bill.

Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?

Thanks,

Bill

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40411CB1.1E311B03@cox.net...
> Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
> and put bearings in them all.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> > didn't pick that up right away.
> >
> > Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Thanks for the help Bill.

Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?

Thanks,

Bill

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40411CB1.1E311B03@cox.net...
> Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
> and put bearings in them all.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> > didn't pick that up right away.
> >
> > Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Thanks for the help Bill.

Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?

Thanks,

Bill

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40411CB1.1E311B03@cox.net...
> Same suggestion I have suggested, you pull one piston and you ring
> and put bearings in them all.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I think I get it. The worn area on the loose bearing is copper? I
> > didn't pick that up right away.
> >
> > Now, what if others are "through the copper", what do you suggest?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1qsom$1krk9u$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Got the piston out. Just tapped on the rod bolt a couple of times and it
> loosened up. Came right out of the cylinder, no ridge, no problem.
>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2a.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2b.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...berrings2a.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bill
>

Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
finish on it?

Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1qsom$1krk9u$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Got the piston out. Just tapped on the rod bolt a couple of times and it
> loosened up. Came right out of the cylinder, no ridge, no problem.
>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2a.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2b.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...berrings2a.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bill
>

Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
finish on it?

Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1qsom$1krk9u$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Got the piston out. Just tapped on the rod bolt a couple of times and it
> loosened up. Came right out of the cylinder, no ridge, no problem.
>
> Here are the pics. Any feedback on the condition of this piston or what
the
> pic might tell you would be appreciated.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2a.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../piston_2b.jpg
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je...berrings2a.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bill
>

Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
finish on it?

Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help Bill.
>
> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help Bill.
>
> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Bill,
Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help Bill.
>
> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

L.W. (ßill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Bill,
> Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
> scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
> strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.

I've found this site to be interesting.
http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
YMMV.

> William Oliveri wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the help Bill.
>>
>> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

L.W. (ßill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Bill,
> Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
> scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
> strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.

I've found this site to be interesting.
http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
YMMV.

> William Oliveri wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the help Bill.
>>
>> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

L.W. (ßill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Bill,
> Nope, I just scrap the big stuff off. And use an old broken ring to
> scrap out the groves, being careful not to gouge their sides. Chemicals
> strong enough to remove carbon usually eat the aluminum.

I've found this site to be interesting.
http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
YMMV.

> William Oliveri wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the help Bill.
>>
>> Is there an easy way to clean up this piston before I ring it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Chris,
I would say it would be really, really difficult for us to be able
to see any groves or cracks or scuffing, judging by one of Bill's other
pictures: http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
> finish on it?
>
> Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Chris,
I would say it would be really, really difficult for us to be able
to see any groves or cracks or scuffing, judging by one of Bill's other
pictures: http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
> finish on it?
>
> Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Hi Chris,
I would say it would be really, really difficult for us to be able
to see any groves or cracks or scuffing, judging by one of Bill's other
pictures: http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Bill, can you get a picture of the cylinder itself so that we can see the
> finish on it?
>
> Chris

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Still lots of elbow grease, Real Jeepers us gasoline. ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> I've found this site to be interesting.
> http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
> YMMV.

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Still lots of elbow grease, Real Jeepers us gasoline. ;-)
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DougW wrote:
>
> I've found this site to be interesting.
> http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
> YMMV.

Re: #2 Piston Pics - Got it out!!! Need feedback
 

Still lots of elbow grease, Real Jeepers us gasoline. ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> I've found this site to be interesting.
> http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/decarboningindex.html
> YMMV.