1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
injection systems.
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Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
injection systems.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
oh, really.....
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
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> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
oh, really.....
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
oh, really.....
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
oh, really.....
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
I never said anything about curing the springs. It 'cured' the misfire.
you're reading between the lines. I can't believe you actually thought
someone would think it 'cured' the springs. If I had anyone else even
remotely thinking that I believed I had 'cured' the springs, then I
apologize. And yes, carbon on the valves, and the cylinder head, is what it
cleans.
cal
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:PZqdnURWXtcXxXfZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@rcn.net...
> Cal wrote:
>> I know the best way to get by this is to replace the spings. What I have
>> done is to use Seafoam. I pour about half a can slowly in the throttle
>> body at idle (or a little above idle), add the rest to the gas, and I am
>> 'cured' for about a year. ( Follow instructions on the can.) I tried
>> the new plugs and wires suggested by the dealership, and this is the only
>> thing that has worked for me. Of course, if you have the cash or time,
>> replace the springs. Especially since with this cheap fix , you're never
>> really sure about that trip to the mountains......
>
> How does seafoam in the FUEL SYSTEM cure weak valve springs for a year???
> You've got worn valve guides that are cruding up your valves and
> restricting flow maybe... or perhaps you've got really really bad carbon
> buildup that's causing ping (which will definitely be folowed by some
> power loss), hell maybe you've got carbon so bad that it's shrouding your
> valves and reducing flow... In which case some hard wide open throttle
> runs every once in a blue moon should help. but nothing in your fuel,
> intake, or combustion chamber is ever EVER touching your springs or
> effecting them in any other way.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
'their' 90's O2 sensor.
Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Katua; Mike is talking about 91 and earlier he obviously didn't notice
> you wrote that you have a 98, they have completely different fuel
> injection systems.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: 1998 Jeep Cherokee power loss, missing, no codes...TPS??
Mike Romain wrote:
> What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
> statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
> 'their' 90's O2 sensor.
>
> Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
>
> Mike
Read Katuah's reply to your advice to JRK, then read your immediate
reply to Katuah later on the same day. BEFORE you get your panties all
in a bunch.
Here let me piece it together for you:
1) you replied to JRK about the recall
2) Katuah replied to that post and said "where did you see the recall? I
definitely need to check on that."
3) you replied to Katuah and did not correct them, you mentioned nothing
at all about the fact that Katuah need not look into that recall...
4) So I did, hopefully saving Katuah some fruitless searching. because
you were too busy sharing your fond memories of emissions tests past.
5) like we need one more "battle story" of your past "victorious"
emissions tests. <yawn>
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> What are you blathering on about? I most certainly did qualify my
> statement with "on the 88-91 XJ" in response to JRK58's comment about
> 'their' 90's O2 sensor.
>
> Maybe katua didn't 'read' my statement, you sure as hell didn't!
>
> Mike
Read Katuah's reply to your advice to JRK, then read your immediate
reply to Katuah later on the same day. BEFORE you get your panties all
in a bunch.
Here let me piece it together for you:
1) you replied to JRK about the recall
2) Katuah replied to that post and said "where did you see the recall? I
definitely need to check on that."
3) you replied to Katuah and did not correct them, you mentioned nothing
at all about the fact that Katuah need not look into that recall...
4) So I did, hopefully saving Katuah some fruitless searching. because
you were too busy sharing your fond memories of emissions tests past.
5) like we need one more "battle story" of your past "victorious"
emissions tests. <yawn>
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein