1994 YJ Axle
04-20-2007, 02:12 PM
#21
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
tell without opening it up.
Earle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
> >
> > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
opinion.
> >
> > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> >
> > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hello all!
> >
> > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
> >
> > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > can do myself?
> >
> > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > is the downside?
> >
> > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> without the
> right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> the
> point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?
>
and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
tell without opening it up.
Earle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
> >
> > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
opinion.
> >
> > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> >
> > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hello all!
> >
> > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
> >
> > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > can do myself?
> >
> > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > is the downside?
> >
> > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> without the
> right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> the
> point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?
>
04-20-2007, 03:14 PM
#22
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
04-20-2007, 03:14 PM
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
04-20-2007, 03:14 PM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
04-20-2007, 03:14 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
> It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving it,
> and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front wheels? I
> had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the Interstate,
> pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more or
> less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly. On
> the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard to
> tell without opening it up.
>
> Earle
>
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing the
> > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all new
> > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana 44.
>
> > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> opinion.
>
> > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or 4x4
> > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break it?
>
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me thinking
> > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two years.
> > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice here.
>
> > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle. After
> > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of the
> > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools? something I
> > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but what
> > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york region
> > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > without the
> > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > the
> > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
which
was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
shaft,
tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
home
(less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
of the
differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
chipped teeth,
no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
the pinion nut to
where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
happens.
Thoughts?
04-20-2007, 03:25 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
04-20-2007, 03:25 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
04-20-2007, 03:25 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
04-20-2007, 03:25 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
<dmschuler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
it,
> > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
wheels? I
> > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
Interstate,
> > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
or
> > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
> >
> > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
> >
> > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
On
> > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
to
> > tell without opening it up.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
the
> > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
new
> > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
44.
> >
> > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
4x4
> > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
it?
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello all!
> >
> > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
thinking
> > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
years.
> > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
here.
> >
> > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
After
> > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
> >
> > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
the
> > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
> >
> > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
> >
> > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
something I
> > > > > can do myself?
> >
> > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
what
> > > > > is the downside?
> >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
region
> > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
> >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > without the
> > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > the
> > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
>
I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
properly, then you may be lucky.
Earle
04-20-2007, 03:29 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 3:25 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
