1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
this CPS is 1-56026701.
----
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Casper <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote:
>>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
>paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.
>
>I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
>currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
>really wish I had the other one.
>
>I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
>other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
>tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
>mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
>surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
>replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
>in and not damamge it (or anything else).
>
>Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
>someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
>pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
>end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
>going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
>the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.
about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
this CPS is 1-56026701.
----
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Casper <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote:
>>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
>paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.
>
>I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
>currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
>really wish I had the other one.
>
>I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
>other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
>tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
>mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
>surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
>replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
>in and not damamge it (or anything else).
>
>Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
>someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
>pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
>end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
>going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
>the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
---- wrote:
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
---- wrote:
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
---- wrote:
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
---- wrote:
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
> this CPS is 1-56026701.
On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
in the *** to order parts for.
http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
was not too critical.
--
DougW
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:06:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:06:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:06:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
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Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:06:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>---- wrote:
>> I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
>> about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
>> with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
>> me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
>> showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
>> has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
>> this CPS is 1-56026701.
>
>On the 93 production year there were two (possibly three) different
>transmissions and two different CPS sensors. 92 1/2 or early 93
>production run and the 93. Mine is a mix of 93/4 parts and a pain
>in the *** to order parts for.
>
>http://revbeergoggles.com/cps/
>http://revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/diag...tml#CPSdetails
>
>The original on-hole CPS sensor doesn't actually have a hole
>in so much as it has a slot. On the original sensor there is
>a cardboard bit glued to the end. You just slide it in till
>the spacer hits then tighten it down. The spacer then erodes.
>
>They did away with that sensor/spacer sometime in 94 and replaced it
>with a fixed hole in about the same location as the old sensor
>was fitted. Guess they improved the sensor or decided the gap
>was not too critical.
I'm getting the idea that we are discussing the 4.0 engine, and not
the V-8.
----
