1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
08-25-2006, 09:44 PM
#11
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
My '88 did that one on me - your MOPAR replacement should be similar.
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
08-25-2006, 09:44 PM
#12
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
My '88 did that one on me - your MOPAR replacement should be similar.
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
08-25-2006, 09:44 PM
#13
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
My '88 did that one on me - your MOPAR replacement should be similar.
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
Seems that when I replaced the CPS I didn't tie the CPS sensor lead
close enough to the firewall. It had just enough slack for the cable
to make contact with the ehhaust, which naturally melted the
insulation on the wire and would tempporarily short out the CP against
the exhaust. One wet day, the intermittent became chronic and I made
the last 5-6 miles home with the engine revving to a max of about 1250
RPM and no real power above 1000 RPM. Same thing you describe - I
basically had a little more than idle RPM. Got some real funny looks
as I accelerated ever so slowly away from stops shifting when I felt
it start to bog. Changed the CPS and problem was gone. Moral: check
the CPS and all related connections.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:01 UTC sami.lindgren@kotikone.fi wrote:
> Almost giving up..
>
> Renix ECU (replaced couple of years ago with Bendix)Multi point fuel
> injection, 4.0 litre inline six with manual transmission, 110K miles.
> It has been doing this over a year now,it feels like this Jeep has a
> mind of it's own...sometimes good day,sometimes bad day (mostly bad
> days recently).
> Problem is, that sometimes it just dont run over 1500rpm, it doesnt
> matter how much i press
> the gas pedal,it just sputters and rpm gauge drops to zero,it does not
> matter what gear i'm using,if i depress the gas pedal slightly then it
> keeps going slowly and rpm gauge comes back alive.
>
> But when it runs fine it really runs like it should (almost like a
> sportscar)..
>
> CPS sensor is brand new and giving nice pulses,O2 sensor is brand
> new,TPS sensor is giving smooth voltage,coolant temperature sensor is
> ok,manifold air temperature sensor is ok,MAP sensor seems to be ok,EGR
> seems to work, stator in the distributor is giving nice pulses,fuel
> pump ballast resistor is 1 ohm, (every sensor checked according to Jeep
> Renix Fuel Injection Manual) i have checked the sensors using digital
> multimeter (and oscilloscope for pulse giving sensors). I have done
> measurements near to ECU connectors (by cutting/peeling the wires).
> One strange thing is, that there is no noticeable difference if knock
> sensor wires are connected or not.. and it it was also giving knock
> pulses..more rpms,more and higher pulses. Basically my question is,what
> should i try next...
> could this problem be fuel related ?
> what are the reasons which can make rpm gauge drop to zero?
> For me it just seems to be electrical...i dont know anymore..
>
> Please answer if someone have a clue about this.
>
--
Will Honea
08-26-2006, 03:08 AM
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
One out of many daves wrote:
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
08-26-2006, 03:08 AM
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
One out of many daves wrote:
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
08-26-2006, 03:08 AM
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
One out of many daves wrote:
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
08-26-2006, 03:08 AM
#17
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
One out of many daves wrote:
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
> clogged exhaust maybe?
> did you hook a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold to see what it reads?
>
> Bad distributor rotor/cap, weak ign coil?
> clogged vacuum tube/hose to MAF sensor?
>
> did you check the fuel pressure with a cheapie tire gauge or fuel pressure
> gauge? BE CAREFUL and use common sense please!!!
>
> is this a USA model or an import to you?
I second a clogged catalytic converter.
(or muffler, although I've gone through more converters then mufflers)
08-26-2006, 07:17 AM
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
Thanks for all about the replys !
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
08-26-2006, 07:17 AM
#19
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Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
Thanks for all about the replys !
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
08-26-2006, 07:17 AM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1990 Cherokee won't run over approx. 1500rpm
Thanks for all about the replys !
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
It is import model, i live in Finland.
I added extra ground cable from head to the firewall.
CPS wires are ok (not melted),i replaced the wires some time ago.
Exhaust/catalytic is not clogged,but i'll take a closer look.
I havent check manifold vacuum or fuel pressure yet.
Fuel filter,distributor rotor/cap are on the list to replace,right when
i can get them.
Where is MAF sensor located ?
Sami
