Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> ready run into.
> carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> that ya can't drive them.

If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
costs can be the savior on the cap.

As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
will be tested as a hotrod.

Snow...

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> ready run into.
> carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> that ya can't drive them.

If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
costs can be the savior on the cap.

As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
will be tested as a hotrod.

Snow...

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> ready run into.
> carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> that ya can't drive them.

If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
costs can be the savior on the cap.

As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
will be tested as a hotrod.

Snow...

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

Snow wrote:
>
> > so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> > go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> > done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> > available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> > ready run into.
> > carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> > that ya can't drive them.
>
> If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
> conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
> it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
> buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
> receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
> costs can be the savior on the cap.
>
> As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
> engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
> or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
> produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
> will be tested as a hotrod.
>
> Snow...

For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
test done at the $tealer so they just know this.

Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

Snow wrote:
>
> > so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> > go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> > done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> > available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> > ready run into.
> > carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> > that ya can't drive them.
>
> If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
> conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
> it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
> buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
> receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
> costs can be the savior on the cap.
>
> As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
> engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
> or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
> produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
> will be tested as a hotrod.
>
> Snow...

For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
test done at the $tealer so they just know this.

Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

Snow wrote:
>
> > so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> > go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> > done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> > available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> > ready run into.
> > carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> > that ya can't drive them.
>
> If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
> conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
> it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
> buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
> receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
> costs can be the savior on the cap.
>
> As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
> engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
> or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
> produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
> will be tested as a hotrod.
>
> Snow...

For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
test done at the $tealer so they just know this.

Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

Snow wrote:
>
> > so couple of questions what happens when you have spent your 450 and then
> > go back 2 yrs later and you fail again and the list of repairs have been
> > done but ya still fail. oh and what happens when parts are no longer
> > available from any source to fix emissions components which I have all
> > ready run into.
> > carbed jeeps rarely pass emissions and if they do they are so leaned out
> > that ya can't drive them.
>
> If it fails two years later it all has to be fixed again. If it managed a
> conditional pass the previous year it HAS to pass and has no cap (just like
> it does when you purchase a used vehicle). You might get more bang for your
> buck doing the work yourself (going by the dianostic, and keeping the
> receipts) but your time will be worth ZERO of the cap. sometimes labour
> costs can be the savior on the cap.
>
> As for non available parts, well if you change out the engine for either an
> engine that never exsisted in that vehicle (i.e. put a 305 into your jeep)
> or you install an engine no longer produced for that vehicle and no longer
> produced by the car maker (i.e. putting a 283 into a 1993 gmc truck) you
> will be tested as a hotrod.
>
> Snow...

For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
test done at the $tealer so they just know this.

Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
> stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
> test done at the $tealer so they just know this.
>
> Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

That's not much of a problem, Most stealerships should know what engines
were used in what cars during which years.
Also the engine has to be out of production in the year the vehicle was
made. If you place a 350 engine (from an 88 vette) into your 92 Blazer you
won't be tested as a hotrod, you will be tested as a 350 engine and have to
pass 1992 350 emissions due to the 350 still being a production engine in
1992. If you install a 283 into the same vehicle you will get the hotrod
test as that engine was last produced in 1967 (?) or so.

If you install an engine (say 350 again) into a ford, dodge or jeep you will
be tested as a hotrod as (for the most part in the last 20 yrs.) Jeep hasn't
used the GM 350.

Another way people try to beat the smoggers is to install a newer engine
then whats in their vehicle, swap out their 1990 4.0 for a 1998, in this
case the test is still done to 1990 standards (unless you shoot your mouth
off at the testing facility).

Snow ... think I'll install a 283 in the 89 Caprice wagon for hotrod
status .. lol

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
> stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
> test done at the $tealer so they just know this.
>
> Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

That's not much of a problem, Most stealerships should know what engines
were used in what cars during which years.
Also the engine has to be out of production in the year the vehicle was
made. If you place a 350 engine (from an 88 vette) into your 92 Blazer you
won't be tested as a hotrod, you will be tested as a 350 engine and have to
pass 1992 350 emissions due to the 350 still being a production engine in
1992. If you install a 283 into the same vehicle you will get the hotrod
test as that engine was last produced in 1967 (?) or so.

If you install an engine (say 350 again) into a ford, dodge or jeep you will
be tested as a hotrod as (for the most part in the last 20 yrs.) Jeep hasn't
used the GM 350.

Another way people try to beat the smoggers is to install a newer engine
then whats in their vehicle, swap out their 1990 4.0 for a 1998, in this
case the test is still done to 1990 standards (unless you shoot your mouth
off at the testing facility).

Snow ... think I'll install a 283 in the 89 Caprice wagon for hotrod
status .. lol

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

> For the 'hot rod' test, you now have to go to a $tealer and get a letter
> stating the engine you have was never used in your vehicle or have the
> test done at the $tealer so they just know this.
>
> Places like Canadian Tire require the letter now they told me.

That's not much of a problem, Most stealerships should know what engines
were used in what cars during which years.
Also the engine has to be out of production in the year the vehicle was
made. If you place a 350 engine (from an 88 vette) into your 92 Blazer you
won't be tested as a hotrod, you will be tested as a 350 engine and have to
pass 1992 350 emissions due to the 350 still being a production engine in
1992. If you install a 283 into the same vehicle you will get the hotrod
test as that engine was last produced in 1967 (?) or so.

If you install an engine (say 350 again) into a ford, dodge or jeep you will
be tested as a hotrod as (for the most part in the last 20 yrs.) Jeep hasn't
used the GM 350.

Another way people try to beat the smoggers is to install a newer engine
then whats in their vehicle, swap out their 1990 4.0 for a 1998, in this
case the test is still done to 1990 standards (unless you shoot your mouth
off at the testing facility).

Snow ... think I'll install a 283 in the 89 Caprice wagon for hotrod
status .. lol