Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

sounds like a good idea
really so your body guy is in Kingston eh that's kewl
ya forsure hookin up to tune up would be kewl.

hey if ya use msn add me
wraithyneon@hotmail.com
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..
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FC16.C8DB887A@sympatico.ca...
> You should come meet us on our camping runs, We wheel just north of
> Kingston in the Bon Echo Park area and if you spent a couple days with
> some notice I could bring my tune up tools along and we could spend an
> afternoon by the lake fishing with a couple cold ones while tweaking up
> the old 4.2...
>
> I have to/should stop by Kingston soon anyway, the gent that built my
> CJ7's 'glass body lives there and he offered to help me fix the crack
> that happened when I rolled her.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Kingston 3.5 hrs east of t.o
>>
>> well i know my jeep doesn't go that fast.
>> feels like it could with some tuning but right now it can't.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4263AFAD.5C0E9B9E@sympatico.ca...
>> > Crap man, where do you live?
>> >
>> > I am in Toronto and am home most days with more than half a clue how to
>> > set them up for our 'Canadian' emissions pass. I can't do much work,
>> > but I can sure still point....
>> >
>> > My CJ7 goes like a scalded cat! It lights up my 33's too easy from a
>> > start, I pull really fast to 50 mph in 2nd gear hitting about 4400 rpm,
>> > 3rd gear pulls hard up to 75 mph, 4th will bury the speedo and I have
>> > 'no' freakin' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.....
>> >

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

sounds like a good idea
really so your body guy is in Kingston eh that's kewl
ya forsure hookin up to tune up would be kewl.

hey if ya use msn add me
wraithyneon@hotmail.com
..
..
..
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FC16.C8DB887A@sympatico.ca...
> You should come meet us on our camping runs, We wheel just north of
> Kingston in the Bon Echo Park area and if you spent a couple days with
> some notice I could bring my tune up tools along and we could spend an
> afternoon by the lake fishing with a couple cold ones while tweaking up
> the old 4.2...
>
> I have to/should stop by Kingston soon anyway, the gent that built my
> CJ7's 'glass body lives there and he offered to help me fix the crack
> that happened when I rolled her.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Kingston 3.5 hrs east of t.o
>>
>> well i know my jeep doesn't go that fast.
>> feels like it could with some tuning but right now it can't.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4263AFAD.5C0E9B9E@sympatico.ca...
>> > Crap man, where do you live?
>> >
>> > I am in Toronto and am home most days with more than half a clue how to
>> > set them up for our 'Canadian' emissions pass. I can't do much work,
>> > but I can sure still point....
>> >
>> > My CJ7 goes like a scalded cat! It lights up my 33's too easy from a
>> > start, I pull really fast to 50 mph in 2nd gear hitting about 4400 rpm,
>> > 3rd gear pulls hard up to 75 mph, 4th will bury the speedo and I have
>> > 'no' freakin' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.....
>> >

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

sounds like a good idea
really so your body guy is in Kingston eh that's kewl
ya forsure hookin up to tune up would be kewl.

hey if ya use msn add me
wraithyneon@hotmail.com
..
..
..
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FC16.C8DB887A@sympatico.ca...
> You should come meet us on our camping runs, We wheel just north of
> Kingston in the Bon Echo Park area and if you spent a couple days with
> some notice I could bring my tune up tools along and we could spend an
> afternoon by the lake fishing with a couple cold ones while tweaking up
> the old 4.2...
>
> I have to/should stop by Kingston soon anyway, the gent that built my
> CJ7's 'glass body lives there and he offered to help me fix the crack
> that happened when I rolled her.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Kingston 3.5 hrs east of t.o
>>
>> well i know my jeep doesn't go that fast.
>> feels like it could with some tuning but right now it can't.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4263AFAD.5C0E9B9E@sympatico.ca...
>> > Crap man, where do you live?
>> >
>> > I am in Toronto and am home most days with more than half a clue how to
>> > set them up for our 'Canadian' emissions pass. I can't do much work,
>> > but I can sure still point....
>> >
>> > My CJ7 goes like a scalded cat! It lights up my 33's too easy from a
>> > start, I pull really fast to 50 mph in 2nd gear hitting about 4400 rpm,
>> > 3rd gear pulls hard up to 75 mph, 4th will bury the speedo and I have
>> > 'no' freakin' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.....
>> >

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

well took to shop and then got a call 2 hrs later.
the hard drive in the dyno gave out.
only a certified tech can gain entry to the cabinet for the dyno so my
appointment has been reset for Monday nest week.
also after discussing it with tech and him discussing with another tech they
are going to do a do over with my test as they as certain that the standards
are different. between 4.0L and 4.2L that will be in my advantage (do over
is free).
so the saga continues.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FAD3.BDE7F08F@sympatico.ca...
> Good luck, please let us know.
>
> My 86 will no longer have to pass any more tests! The next one is due
> in 2007 and it will be over 20 years old then.
>
> Mike
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>>
>> all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear
>> a
>> black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.
>>
>> obviously to rich. lots of carbon.
>>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and
>> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how
>> that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is
>> a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
>> this stuff.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
>> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
>> > Jeep
>> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
>> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think
>> > to
>> > put the directions online:
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>> >
>> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
>> > mph extra per gear.
>> >
>> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
>> > have to be too far back to pass.
>> >
>> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
>> > 2525 test I was told.
>> >
>> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
>> > I
>> > disabled the computer in.
>> >
>> > Specs.
>> >
>> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
>> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
>> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
>> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
>> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
>> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
>> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
>> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
>> > there.)
>> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
>> > - Ported on the timing advance
>> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
>> > rebuild kit for the test.
>> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
>> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
>> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>> >
>> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>> >
>> > And 16 ppm HC
>> >
>> > And 0.11% CO
>> >
>> > Photo of the papers here:
>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>> >
>> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>> > paperwork.
>> >
>> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
>> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
>> > pass that.
>> >
>> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
>> > becomes too old before the next one.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

well took to shop and then got a call 2 hrs later.
the hard drive in the dyno gave out.
only a certified tech can gain entry to the cabinet for the dyno so my
appointment has been reset for Monday nest week.
also after discussing it with tech and him discussing with another tech they
are going to do a do over with my test as they as certain that the standards
are different. between 4.0L and 4.2L that will be in my advantage (do over
is free).
so the saga continues.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FAD3.BDE7F08F@sympatico.ca...
> Good luck, please let us know.
>
> My 86 will no longer have to pass any more tests! The next one is due
> in 2007 and it will be over 20 years old then.
>
> Mike
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>>
>> all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear
>> a
>> black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.
>>
>> obviously to rich. lots of carbon.
>>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and
>> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how
>> that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is
>> a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
>> this stuff.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
>> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
>> > Jeep
>> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
>> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think
>> > to
>> > put the directions online:
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>> >
>> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
>> > mph extra per gear.
>> >
>> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
>> > have to be too far back to pass.
>> >
>> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
>> > 2525 test I was told.
>> >
>> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
>> > I
>> > disabled the computer in.
>> >
>> > Specs.
>> >
>> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
>> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
>> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
>> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
>> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
>> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
>> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
>> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
>> > there.)
>> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
>> > - Ported on the timing advance
>> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
>> > rebuild kit for the test.
>> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
>> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
>> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>> >
>> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>> >
>> > And 16 ppm HC
>> >
>> > And 0.11% CO
>> >
>> > Photo of the papers here:
>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>> >
>> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>> > paperwork.
>> >
>> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
>> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
>> > pass that.
>> >
>> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
>> > becomes too old before the next one.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

well took to shop and then got a call 2 hrs later.
the hard drive in the dyno gave out.
only a certified tech can gain entry to the cabinet for the dyno so my
appointment has been reset for Monday nest week.
also after discussing it with tech and him discussing with another tech they
are going to do a do over with my test as they as certain that the standards
are different. between 4.0L and 4.2L that will be in my advantage (do over
is free).
so the saga continues.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FAD3.BDE7F08F@sympatico.ca...
> Good luck, please let us know.
>
> My 86 will no longer have to pass any more tests! The next one is due
> in 2007 and it will be over 20 years old then.
>
> Mike
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>>
>> all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear
>> a
>> black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.
>>
>> obviously to rich. lots of carbon.
>>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and
>> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how
>> that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is
>> a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
>> this stuff.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
>> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
>> > Jeep
>> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
>> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think
>> > to
>> > put the directions online:
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>> >
>> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
>> > mph extra per gear.
>> >
>> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
>> > have to be too far back to pass.
>> >
>> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
>> > 2525 test I was told.
>> >
>> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
>> > I
>> > disabled the computer in.
>> >
>> > Specs.
>> >
>> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
>> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
>> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
>> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
>> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
>> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
>> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
>> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
>> > there.)
>> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
>> > - Ported on the timing advance
>> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
>> > rebuild kit for the test.
>> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
>> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
>> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>> >
>> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>> >
>> > And 16 ppm HC
>> >
>> > And 0.11% CO
>> >
>> > Photo of the papers here:
>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>> >
>> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>> > paperwork.
>> >
>> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
>> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
>> > pass that.
>> >
>> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
>> > becomes too old before the next one.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: 1986 'Nuttered' CJ7 4.2L Canadian Emissions Data
 

well took to shop and then got a call 2 hrs later.
the hard drive in the dyno gave out.
only a certified tech can gain entry to the cabinet for the dyno so my
appointment has been reset for Monday nest week.
also after discussing it with tech and him discussing with another tech they
are going to do a do over with my test as they as certain that the standards
are different. between 4.0L and 4.2L that will be in my advantage (do over
is free).
so the saga continues.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4264FAD3.BDE7F08F@sympatico.ca...
> Good luck, please let us know.
>
> My 86 will no longer have to pass any more tests! The next one is due
> in 2007 and it will be over 20 years old then.
>
> Mike
>
> u know who wrote:
>>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>>
>> all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear
>> a
>> black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.
>>
>> obviously to rich. lots of carbon.
>>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and
>> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how
>> that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is
>> a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
>> this stuff.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
>> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
>> > Jeep
>> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
>> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think
>> > to
>> > put the directions online:
>> >
>> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>> >
>> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
>> > mph extra per gear.
>> >
>> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
>> > have to be too far back to pass.
>> >
>> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
>> > 2525 test I was told.
>> >
>> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
>> > I
>> > disabled the computer in.
>> >
>> > Specs.
>> >
>> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
>> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
>> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
>> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
>> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
>> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
>> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
>> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
>> > there.)
>> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
>> > - Ported on the timing advance
>> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
>> > rebuild kit for the test.
>> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
>> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
>> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>> >
>> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>> >
>> > And 16 ppm HC
>> >
>> > And 0.11% CO
>> >
>> > Photo of the papers here:
>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>> >
>> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>> > paperwork.
>> >
>> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
>> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
>> > pass that.
>> >
>> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
>> > becomes too old before the next one.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's