mp@murklagoon.com

A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)

However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
off an unknown quantity in the pan.

So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing
remains before starting the motor.

Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil
pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working
fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles.

Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there
a recommended replacement pump/brand/part??

Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit
do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be
using??

I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing
much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it
should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very
helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated
.......

Thanks ....

Mike

Jeff DeWitt

mp@murklagoon.com wrote:
> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)
>
> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
> off an unknown quantity in the pan.
>
> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing
> remains before starting the motor.
>
> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil
> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working
> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles.
>
> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there
> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part??
>
> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit
> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be
> using??
>
> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing
> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it
> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very
> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated
> ......
>
> Thanks ....
>
> Mike
>

Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry
about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it.
Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear
very much unless you never change the oil.

If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to
invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer
you should use.

Jeff DeWitt

jerryg

On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> m...@murklagoon.com wrote:
> > A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
> > get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)
>
> > However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
> > dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
> > off an unknown quantity in the pan.
>
> > So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing
> > remains before starting the motor.
>
> > Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil
> > pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working
> > fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles.
>
> > Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there
> > a recommended replacement pump/brand/part??
>
> > Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit
> > do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be
> > using??
>
> > I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing
> > much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it
> > should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very
> > helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated
> > ......
>
> > Thanks ....
>
> > Mike
>
> Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry
> about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it.
> Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear
> very much unless you never change the oil.
>
> If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to
> invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer
> you should use.
>
> Jeff DeWitt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that.

Greg

Jeff Strickland

<mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message
news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com...
>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)
>

Why not just pull the plug and catch a little, then put the plug back in?

Or, take the filter off and pour some oil out, then put it back on?

Or, disconnect the oil pipe on the side of the filter mount, crank the motor
over a couple of times, then reconnect the pipe?

These are three easier ways to get oil out of a motor than trying to suck it
out through the dip stick hole.




> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
> off an unknown quantity in the pan.
>

Any plastic that small would get pulverized, and trapped inside the filter.
I'd suggest that this is not the serious problem yo are worried about.

Jeff DeWitt

jerryg wrote:
> On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>m...@murklagoon.com wrote:
>>
>>>A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
>>>get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)
>>
>>>However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
>>>dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
>>>off an unknown quantity in the pan.
>>
>>>So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing
>>>remains before starting the motor.
>>
>>>Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil
>>>pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working
>>>fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles.
>>
>>>Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there
>>>a recommended replacement pump/brand/part??
>>
>>>Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit
>>>do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be
>>>using??
>>
>>>I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing
>>>much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it
>>>should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very
>>>helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated
>>>......
>>
>>>Thanks ....
>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>Not sure about the gasket but with only 55,000 miles I wouldn't worry
>>about the oil pump, make sure the screen is clean but that's about it.
>>Those pumps spend their whole lives immersed in oil and they don't wear
>>very much unless you never change the oil.
>>
>>If you plan on doing much wrenching it might be worth your while to
>>invest in a shop manual, it will have details like what kind of sealer
>>you should use.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that.
>
> Greg

It's used to determine what contaminates are in the oil. Those tests
can be really useful to tell if the engine is running too rich, showing
excessive wear, has an internal coolant leak, poor ventilation and a
bunch of other useful things.

The oil is like the engines blood and if anything is wrong it will show
up in the oil.

Jeff DeWitt

L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III

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"jerryg" <Gregginn7@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>What would an oil analysis be used for? I have never heard of that.
>
>Greg



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Not to worry, all oil pick up tubes have a screen on them:
http://www.aa1car.com/library/oil_screen_sludge.jpg
Next oil change, rake it out the drain hole.
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<mp@murklagoon.com> wrote in message
news:k01in3ht4hv5880aha7c0u626gffiuivvf@4ax.com...
> A friend was trying to help me siphon some oil from my Scrambler to
> get an oil analysis done. (Analysis came back fine.)
>
> However, he used some plastic tubing to get the sample through the
> dipstick tube, got it caught somehow when pulling it out, and broke
> off an unknown quantity in the pan.
>
> So I assume I must drop the pan and remove whatever plastic tubing
> remains before starting the motor.
>
> Question #1: Since I'm already in there should I replace the oil
> pump? As far as I know the existing (and original) pump is working
> fine; and the engine has only 55,000 original miles.
>
> Question #1a: If you think I should replace the oil pump -- is there
> a recommended replacement pump/brand/part??
>
> Question #2: I have not dropped the pan yet. What gasket/gasket kit
> do you recommend I get? And what type sealer (if any) should I be
> using??
>
> I apologize for asking such basic questions but I haven't been doing
> much mechanicing for quite a while and don't know for sure how it
> should be done with today's parts. Advice on this forum has been very
> helpful numerous times .. so any suggestions will be most appreciated
> ......
>
> Thanks ....
>
> Mike
>



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=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:17:49 -0800, L.W.(ßill)------ III wrote:

> rake it out the drain hole.

The voice of experience.

I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here.


--
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor
does the truth become error because nobody will see it.

-Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)

L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes Fighter of Evil trolls

This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net whose only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@***.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only *******, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, ------ writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing *** names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the ******* at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.----------.com/temp/giganews.jpg
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com
http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm


"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.31.22.31.06.989270@trepanation.ca lm...
>
> The voice of experience.
>
> I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here.
>
>
> --

=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

Well, so much for compliments.....

You are /really/ losing it, Billieboi.

Seriously so.

Push it much further, and something in your head is going to go "BOOM !!!"
and we'll be reading about it and you in the newspaper or see the
results on TV.

You can't go too much further without a major crack-up.

And your family won't help you, either. They are as sick of you as we are.

A sad and pathetic way to check out, I'd say.

And it WILL happen.

And still, nobody reads your crap.

And still, you don't even see it.

And no, nobody will even remember you.

Not one soul on earth will miss you, and most won't even notice your final
departure.

And somewhere deep inside, you know I'm speaking the truth.

You really should listen more to your Doctor.

He's here to help you, Billie, so you won't go berserk anymore.

And maybe the voices would go away as well.


> This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
> dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
> S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
> killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
> s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net whose only way to get attention is to
> make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
> school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
> responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
> where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
> perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
> documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
> surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
> many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
> little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
> me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
> you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
> statement like a man.
> That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
> the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
> psychopath forged up names?
> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
> paragraphs it fits so well!
> But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
> security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
> admin@***.net for forgery.
> Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
> posted on an auto picture group at:
> news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
> I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
> but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
> Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
> that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
> United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
> too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
> it, so keep the f*ck out!
> Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
> YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
> someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
> with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
> Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
> YOU NEED HELP!
> The moral majority say you are not only *******, but cowards
> You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
> anything.
> Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
> and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
> arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
> shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
> intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
> Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
> email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
> Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
> You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
> a girlie, ------ writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
> extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
> And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
> pursuing *** names, as fake as you.
> Just making sure the ******* at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
> alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
> really are!!!!!
> God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
> following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
> gibberish/babbling
> Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
> old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
> Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
> language, and pornography in an original post.
> I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
> as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
> SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
> would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
> the loser.
> God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
> wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
> fool out of you over, and over again:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/giganews.jpg
> You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
> a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
> <ROTFLMAO>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
> http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm
>
>
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.12.31.22.31.06.989270@trepanation.ca lm...
>>
>> The voice of experience.
>>
>> I'll bet you know more about drain-holes than anyone here.
>>
>>
>> --

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An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor
does the truth become error because nobody will see it.

-Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)