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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Jeff Strickland wrote:
> I hadn't heard that there was any problem with making R134, and I am > surprised that anybody is reporting trouble finding it. > > And, I agree, going back to R12 isn't gonna happen. It's very expensive, > and there are seriouis compatibility issues that add to the cost. I > think one is going to spend the summer with the windows rolled down > before one goes back to R12. R12 is cheaper to produce than 134. It's pretty non-toxic too, which can't be said for 134. Political creatures have made 12 expensive. John |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message
news:d7trap$lmc$1@news.netins.net... > Shoot a little propane in the system and enjoy - i ran propane in my camaro a/c system all through my late teens. now that im older and wiser id never recommend it, but it does make for one hell of a cheap refrigerant. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message
news:d7trap$lmc$1@news.netins.net... > Shoot a little propane in the system and enjoy - i ran propane in my camaro a/c system all through my late teens. now that im older and wiser id never recommend it, but it does make for one hell of a cheap refrigerant. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message
news:d7trap$lmc$1@news.netins.net... > Shoot a little propane in the system and enjoy - i ran propane in my camaro a/c system all through my late teens. now that im older and wiser id never recommend it, but it does make for one hell of a cheap refrigerant. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Chuck" <chucky@grm.net> wrote in message
news:d7trap$lmc$1@news.netins.net... > Shoot a little propane in the system and enjoy - i ran propane in my camaro a/c system all through my late teens. now that im older and wiser id never recommend it, but it does make for one hell of a cheap refrigerant. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message news:42a29c52$0$14983$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I hadn't heard that there was any problem with making R134, and I am >> surprised that anybody is reporting trouble finding it. >> >> And, I agree, going back to R12 isn't gonna happen. It's very expensive, >> and there are seriouis compatibility issues that add to the cost. I think >> one is going to spend the summer with the windows rolled down before one >> goes back to R12. > > R12 is cheaper to produce than 134. It's pretty non-toxic too, which can't > be said for 134. Political creatures have made 12 expensive. > It doesn't matter that it is cheaper to make, it is essentially illegal to use in the USA. R12 eats the ozone layer, or whatever, and is a banned substance. It also does not play well with others in the neighborhood, R134 for example. If your system is designed to run on R134, it won't work right on R12 anyway, and if you want to convert your factory R12 system back to R12 after retrofitting it to R134, then it will be costly. You can't buy R12 on the open market, so you'll have to find a crook that will sell it to you, or pay to evacuate your system and refill it. You are not going to top off a low R134 system with R12, if for no other reason than the fittings are different sizes. |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message news:42a29c52$0$14983$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I hadn't heard that there was any problem with making R134, and I am >> surprised that anybody is reporting trouble finding it. >> >> And, I agree, going back to R12 isn't gonna happen. It's very expensive, >> and there are seriouis compatibility issues that add to the cost. I think >> one is going to spend the summer with the windows rolled down before one >> goes back to R12. > > R12 is cheaper to produce than 134. It's pretty non-toxic too, which can't > be said for 134. Political creatures have made 12 expensive. > It doesn't matter that it is cheaper to make, it is essentially illegal to use in the USA. R12 eats the ozone layer, or whatever, and is a banned substance. It also does not play well with others in the neighborhood, R134 for example. If your system is designed to run on R134, it won't work right on R12 anyway, and if you want to convert your factory R12 system back to R12 after retrofitting it to R134, then it will be costly. You can't buy R12 on the open market, so you'll have to find a crook that will sell it to you, or pay to evacuate your system and refill it. You are not going to top off a low R134 system with R12, if for no other reason than the fittings are different sizes. |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message news:42a29c52$0$14983$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I hadn't heard that there was any problem with making R134, and I am >> surprised that anybody is reporting trouble finding it. >> >> And, I agree, going back to R12 isn't gonna happen. It's very expensive, >> and there are seriouis compatibility issues that add to the cost. I think >> one is going to spend the summer with the windows rolled down before one >> goes back to R12. > > R12 is cheaper to produce than 134. It's pretty non-toxic too, which can't > be said for 134. Political creatures have made 12 expensive. > It doesn't matter that it is cheaper to make, it is essentially illegal to use in the USA. R12 eats the ozone layer, or whatever, and is a banned substance. It also does not play well with others in the neighborhood, R134 for example. If your system is designed to run on R134, it won't work right on R12 anyway, and if you want to convert your factory R12 system back to R12 after retrofitting it to R134, then it will be costly. You can't buy R12 on the open market, so you'll have to find a crook that will sell it to you, or pay to evacuate your system and refill it. You are not going to top off a low R134 system with R12, if for no other reason than the fittings are different sizes. |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message news:42a29c52$0$14983$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> I hadn't heard that there was any problem with making R134, and I am >> surprised that anybody is reporting trouble finding it. >> >> And, I agree, going back to R12 isn't gonna happen. It's very expensive, >> and there are seriouis compatibility issues that add to the cost. I think >> one is going to spend the summer with the windows rolled down before one >> goes back to R12. > > R12 is cheaper to produce than 134. It's pretty non-toxic too, which can't > be said for 134. Political creatures have made 12 expensive. > It doesn't matter that it is cheaper to make, it is essentially illegal to use in the USA. R12 eats the ozone layer, or whatever, and is a banned substance. It also does not play well with others in the neighborhood, R134 for example. If your system is designed to run on R134, it won't work right on R12 anyway, and if you want to convert your factory R12 system back to R12 after retrofitting it to R134, then it will be costly. You can't buy R12 on the open market, so you'll have to find a crook that will sell it to you, or pay to evacuate your system and refill it. You are not going to top off a low R134 system with R12, if for no other reason than the fittings are different sizes. |
Re: 134a Refrigerant
Don't forget that the single biggest source of atmospheric fluorocarbons are
volcanoes. "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:42A22718.5004A5FF@cox.net... > I actually feel a little guilty about the amount of freon I've let > escape. although they haven't convinced me that's responsible for our > ozone holes. That's just our natural tree's carbon dioxide change to the > ice age, that's been recorded over thirty times in our earth's natural > history. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Robb S via CarKB.com" wrote: >> >> I still have a small retail can of R-12 laying around my garage >> somewhere. >> I'm holding onto it until I can donate it to a museum... >> -- >> Robb >> >> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com |
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