08 Wrangler Changes?
10-19-2007, 11:36 AM
#101
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Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
LOL!
You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
old one.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> The radiator in my thirteen year old Wrangler is plastic top and bottom
> tanks. No problems yet, knock on wood, except for stick damage to a tube.
> I soldered that myself in the field. I have heard they are bad if you
> overheat though. The tank to manifold seals are supposed to go out then.
> What you need on your rig is a rubber radiator.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4718b64d$0$29240$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> They don't give a lifetime warranty here in Canada, likely because we
>> actually off road the suckers or have to use them in 4x4 for half the
> year.
>> That would be a deal breaker for me. No way in hell would I buy a
>> vehicle that can't hold it's own weight on the drivetrain parts because
>> I 'do' offroad.
>>
>> A plastic rad is foolish enough.
>>
>> There is such a thing as too cheap there guys.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>> Fred Garvin wrote:
>>> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
>>> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time
>>> to move along. ;-)
>>>
>>> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
>>> do I care.
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47169039$0$26392$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> Ditto!
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:4716151a$0$4994$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>>> 'What' is a 'next generation' axle?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that aluminum thing that can't hold it's own weight on a jack
>>>>> like they put in the Grand is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I 'really' wouldn't want one of those pieces of crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>
>
You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
old one.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> The radiator in my thirteen year old Wrangler is plastic top and bottom
> tanks. No problems yet, knock on wood, except for stick damage to a tube.
> I soldered that myself in the field. I have heard they are bad if you
> overheat though. The tank to manifold seals are supposed to go out then.
> What you need on your rig is a rubber radiator.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4718b64d$0$29240$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> They don't give a lifetime warranty here in Canada, likely because we
>> actually off road the suckers or have to use them in 4x4 for half the
> year.
>> That would be a deal breaker for me. No way in hell would I buy a
>> vehicle that can't hold it's own weight on the drivetrain parts because
>> I 'do' offroad.
>>
>> A plastic rad is foolish enough.
>>
>> There is such a thing as too cheap there guys.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>> Fred Garvin wrote:
>>> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
>>> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time
>>> to move along. ;-)
>>>
>>> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
>>> do I care.
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47169039$0$26392$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> Ditto!
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:4716151a$0$4994$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>>> 'What' is a 'next generation' axle?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that aluminum thing that can't hold it's own weight on a jack
>>>>> like they put in the Grand is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I 'really' wouldn't want one of those pieces of crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>
>
10-19-2007, 11:36 AM
#102
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Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
LOL!
You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
old one.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> The radiator in my thirteen year old Wrangler is plastic top and bottom
> tanks. No problems yet, knock on wood, except for stick damage to a tube.
> I soldered that myself in the field. I have heard they are bad if you
> overheat though. The tank to manifold seals are supposed to go out then.
> What you need on your rig is a rubber radiator.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4718b64d$0$29240$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> They don't give a lifetime warranty here in Canada, likely because we
>> actually off road the suckers or have to use them in 4x4 for half the
> year.
>> That would be a deal breaker for me. No way in hell would I buy a
>> vehicle that can't hold it's own weight on the drivetrain parts because
>> I 'do' offroad.
>>
>> A plastic rad is foolish enough.
>>
>> There is such a thing as too cheap there guys.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>> Fred Garvin wrote:
>>> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
>>> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time
>>> to move along. ;-)
>>>
>>> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
>>> do I care.
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47169039$0$26392$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> Ditto!
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:4716151a$0$4994$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>>> 'What' is a 'next generation' axle?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that aluminum thing that can't hold it's own weight on a jack
>>>>> like they put in the Grand is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I 'really' wouldn't want one of those pieces of crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>
>
You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
old one.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> The radiator in my thirteen year old Wrangler is plastic top and bottom
> tanks. No problems yet, knock on wood, except for stick damage to a tube.
> I soldered that myself in the field. I have heard they are bad if you
> overheat though. The tank to manifold seals are supposed to go out then.
> What you need on your rig is a rubber radiator.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4718b64d$0$29240$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> They don't give a lifetime warranty here in Canada, likely because we
>> actually off road the suckers or have to use them in 4x4 for half the
> year.
>> That would be a deal breaker for me. No way in hell would I buy a
>> vehicle that can't hold it's own weight on the drivetrain parts because
>> I 'do' offroad.
>>
>> A plastic rad is foolish enough.
>>
>> There is such a thing as too cheap there guys.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>> Fred Garvin wrote:
>>> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
>>> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time
>>> to move along. ;-)
>>>
>>> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
>>> do I care.
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47169039$0$26392$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> Ditto!
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:4716151a$0$4994$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>>> 'What' is a 'next generation' axle?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that aluminum thing that can't hold it's own weight on a jack
>>>>> like they put in the Grand is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I 'really' wouldn't want one of those pieces of crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>
>
10-19-2007, 01:30 PM
#103
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Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Earle's been lucky, my original aluminum radiators crack right at the
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
10-19-2007, 01:30 PM
#104
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Earle's been lucky, my original aluminum radiators crack right at the
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
10-19-2007, 01:30 PM
#105
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Earle's been lucky, my original aluminum radiators crack right at the
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
"O" ring seal to plastic sides, at about three years.
Fred's talk of Boeing's plastic planes, well they still can't make a
padded dash the will take Southern California's sun for more than a couple
of years before they all crack!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4718ce54$0$5309$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> LOL!
>
> You are right, our bush trails are so twisty I have seen a mess of the
> tops ripped off the Jeep plastic rads and I have torn my steel strapped
> one in half twice. No more though, I put a 1X1/8" bar over the side
> straps full length and they used them in the re-core laughing about me
> never tearing this one up. I now have a 'custom' rad. It is 1/4"
> longer on one side and 3/8" longer on the other with 1/8" thicker
> reinforced sides. It cools really well too with 25% more cores than the
> old one.
>
> Mike
10-19-2007, 01:42 PM
#106
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Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Their ring gear won't fit any other Dana 44 either:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
10-19-2007, 01:42 PM
#107
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Their ring gear won't fit any other Dana 44 either:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
10-19-2007, 01:42 PM
#108
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
Their ring gear won't fit any other Dana 44 either:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
http://www.----------.com/temp/dana44ring1.jpg It may be the same gear the
toys have been using for twenty years, and made there, too.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192802978.505161.248460@v23g2000prn.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I've looked into this a bit and it seems the JK rear D44 is a pretty
> good axle. The tubes are bigger than normal, D60 size, and the pinion
> is also larger. I guess it is still called a D44 because of the ring
> gear. The front D44 seems to have the small D30 tubes just like the
> TJ Rubicons.
>
10-19-2007, 02:07 PM
#109
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Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
The Wife has an eight year Powertrain warranty:
http://www.----------.com/warranty.jpg Which is useless for other problems:
http://www.----------.com/temp/steal...ecept10107.jpg The "plastic"
revenue enchasing, do-hicky broke.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:471897a4$0$15360$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time to
> move along. ;-)
>
> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
do
> I care.
http://www.----------.com/warranty.jpg Which is useless for other problems:
http://www.----------.com/temp/steal...ecept10107.jpg The "plastic"
revenue enchasing, do-hicky broke.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:471897a4$0$15360$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time to
> move along. ;-)
>
> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
do
> I care.
10-19-2007, 02:07 PM
#110
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 08 Wrangler Changes?
The Wife has an eight year Powertrain warranty:
http://www.----------.com/warranty.jpg Which is useless for other problems:
http://www.----------.com/temp/steal...ecept10107.jpg The "plastic"
revenue enchasing, do-hicky broke.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:471897a4$0$15360$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time to
> move along. ;-)
>
> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
do
> I care.
http://www.----------.com/warranty.jpg Which is useless for other problems:
http://www.----------.com/temp/steal...ecept10107.jpg The "plastic"
revenue enchasing, do-hicky broke.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:471897a4$0$15360$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Yeah. Yeah. And the new Boeing 787 is made out of plastic. Next
> Generation fellas, it's hapening all around you. Maybe it's just time to
> move along. ;-)
>
> On another note, I have a Lifetime Powertrain warranty, so what the hell
do
> I care.