Lon

Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.



Brian Foster proclaimed:

> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia BTW
> is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z loves
> ya :)
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>
>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com. ..
>>
>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>great.
>>>
>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>
>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>first computer did it.
>>>
>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>many vehicles.....
>>>
>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>
>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>down any.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Lon

Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.



Brian Foster proclaimed:

> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia BTW
> is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z loves
> ya :)
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>
>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com. ..
>>
>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>great.
>>>
>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>
>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>first computer did it.
>>>
>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>many vehicles.....
>>>
>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>
>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>down any.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Lon

Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.



Brian Foster proclaimed:

> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia BTW
> is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z loves
> ya :)
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>
>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com. ..
>>
>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>great.
>>>
>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>
>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>first computer did it.
>>>
>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>many vehicles.....
>>>
>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>
>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>down any.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

LOL
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IaGdnfaZyIQwBk_ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
> Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.
>
>
>
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia
>> BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
>> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z
>> loves ya :)
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>>
>>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com ...
>>>
>>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>>great.
>>>>
>>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>>
>>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>>first computer did it.
>>>>
>>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>>many vehicles.....
>>>>
>>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>>down any.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Matt Macchiarolo

LOL
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IaGdnfaZyIQwBk_ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
> Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.
>
>
>
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia
>> BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
>> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z
>> loves ya :)
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>>
>>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com ...
>>>
>>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>>great.
>>>>
>>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>>
>>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>>first computer did it.
>>>>
>>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>>many vehicles.....
>>>>
>>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>>down any.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Matt Macchiarolo

LOL
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IaGdnfaZyIQwBk_ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
> Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.
>
>
>
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia
>> BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
>> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z
>> loves ya :)
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>>
>>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com ...
>>>
>>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>>great.
>>>>
>>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>>
>>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>>first computer did it.
>>>>
>>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>>many vehicles.....
>>>>
>>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>>down any.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Matt Macchiarolo

LOL
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IaGdnfaZyIQwBk_ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Didja know that Kia means sh*t in one Asian language?
> Wonder what Brian Foster means in Swahili.
>
>
>
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia
>> BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and
>> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z
>> loves ya :)
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:N6Wdnc5TbJBch0zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
>>>
>>>"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cY4Ag.41868$Cn6.11870@tornado.texas.rr.com ...
>>>
>>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
>>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks
>>>>great.
>>>>
>>>>Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options.
>>>>
>>>>And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their
>>>>first computer did it.
>>>>
>>>>A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell
>>>>many vehicles.....
>>>>
>>>>Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will
>>>>the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off?
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing
>>>>down any.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Brian Foster

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5Odnf_3Yr9OGU_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You get mad too easily, have a beer.
>
> I would love a diesel Wrangler.
>
>>
> Once the Big Three get thinking globally within the American market they
> will come back.
>
>> Both industries need each other and both have significant headquarters in
>> the US. So why are we not seeing a joint venture between GM and
>> Exxon/Mobil instead of GM and Renault?
>>
> What makes you think Exxon Mobil wants to help GM make cars that use less
> gas?
>
>> Lets get US automakers and US oil companies to work together for the
>> quantum leap to the next vehicles and fuels for them. That is your next
>> space race and cold war right there boys and girls.
>
> You've read Tom Friedmann, I see. If we can get a "Moon Shot" type
> declaration and national commitment from our sitting President, it might
> happen. But he's in bed with Big Oil so probably not.
>
>>
>> I'll go now, I've ranted enough. That damn class action suit letter
>> pissed me off. Then I look at the new Jeep and I just get pissed again.
>>
> Like I said, have a beer.
>
Matt, Livonia is a great town, I usually stay there when I come to town. I
also like Ypsilanti because of Eagle Crest GC, but that's for another
newsgroup..

Unions are a huge problem. Who's going to change that? The Unions? I think
Not, it'll more likely be the auto makers.

I do like to have a beer, so much so, that I started to brew my own. Just
getting started on that (2nd stage fermenting my first batch right now) so
I'll let you know how that goes.

What makes me think Exxon/Mobil and wants to help GM sell less gas? Well
that's the kind of thinking we are talking about isn't it. I don't think
it's a question of if we will become less dependant on oil but rather when
we will. So whatever that next energy source is, the guys pumping the oil
and building the cars should be leading the way at finding it and exploiting
it. Or else they will be like the dinosaurs.

I'm a big Tom Friedman fan and I also like W a lot too. Yeah that makes me
pretty conflicted. I don't think the government has to mandate a national
commitment for there to be one. It just takes some business leaders with
vision. See Bill Gates and Michael Dell.

So why don't you have a diesel option for a Wrangler? Hmm, I see what you
mean, I'm going to go see how my homebrew is doing (watch the bubbles).

Good on you.

I maybe back in Detroit to work on my project soon

http://www.freekenergy.com/

Brian Foster

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5Odnf_3Yr9OGU_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You get mad too easily, have a beer.
>
> I would love a diesel Wrangler.
>
>>
> Once the Big Three get thinking globally within the American market they
> will come back.
>
>> Both industries need each other and both have significant headquarters in
>> the US. So why are we not seeing a joint venture between GM and
>> Exxon/Mobil instead of GM and Renault?
>>
> What makes you think Exxon Mobil wants to help GM make cars that use less
> gas?
>
>> Lets get US automakers and US oil companies to work together for the
>> quantum leap to the next vehicles and fuels for them. That is your next
>> space race and cold war right there boys and girls.
>
> You've read Tom Friedmann, I see. If we can get a "Moon Shot" type
> declaration and national commitment from our sitting President, it might
> happen. But he's in bed with Big Oil so probably not.
>
>>
>> I'll go now, I've ranted enough. That damn class action suit letter
>> pissed me off. Then I look at the new Jeep and I just get pissed again.
>>
> Like I said, have a beer.
>
Matt, Livonia is a great town, I usually stay there when I come to town. I
also like Ypsilanti because of Eagle Crest GC, but that's for another
newsgroup..

Unions are a huge problem. Who's going to change that? The Unions? I think
Not, it'll more likely be the auto makers.

I do like to have a beer, so much so, that I started to brew my own. Just
getting started on that (2nd stage fermenting my first batch right now) so
I'll let you know how that goes.

What makes me think Exxon/Mobil and wants to help GM sell less gas? Well
that's the kind of thinking we are talking about isn't it. I don't think
it's a question of if we will become less dependant on oil but rather when
we will. So whatever that next energy source is, the guys pumping the oil
and building the cars should be leading the way at finding it and exploiting
it. Or else they will be like the dinosaurs.

I'm a big Tom Friedman fan and I also like W a lot too. Yeah that makes me
pretty conflicted. I don't think the government has to mandate a national
commitment for there to be one. It just takes some business leaders with
vision. See Bill Gates and Michael Dell.

So why don't you have a diesel option for a Wrangler? Hmm, I see what you
mean, I'm going to go see how my homebrew is doing (watch the bubbles).

Good on you.

I maybe back in Detroit to work on my project soon

http://www.freekenergy.com/

Brian Foster

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5Odnf_3Yr9OGU_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> You get mad too easily, have a beer.
>
> I would love a diesel Wrangler.
>
>>
> Once the Big Three get thinking globally within the American market they
> will come back.
>
>> Both industries need each other and both have significant headquarters in
>> the US. So why are we not seeing a joint venture between GM and
>> Exxon/Mobil instead of GM and Renault?
>>
> What makes you think Exxon Mobil wants to help GM make cars that use less
> gas?
>
>> Lets get US automakers and US oil companies to work together for the
>> quantum leap to the next vehicles and fuels for them. That is your next
>> space race and cold war right there boys and girls.
>
> You've read Tom Friedmann, I see. If we can get a "Moon Shot" type
> declaration and national commitment from our sitting President, it might
> happen. But he's in bed with Big Oil so probably not.
>
>>
>> I'll go now, I've ranted enough. That damn class action suit letter
>> pissed me off. Then I look at the new Jeep and I just get pissed again.
>>
> Like I said, have a beer.
>
Matt, Livonia is a great town, I usually stay there when I come to town. I
also like Ypsilanti because of Eagle Crest GC, but that's for another
newsgroup..

Unions are a huge problem. Who's going to change that? The Unions? I think
Not, it'll more likely be the auto makers.

I do like to have a beer, so much so, that I started to brew my own. Just
getting started on that (2nd stage fermenting my first batch right now) so
I'll let you know how that goes.

What makes me think Exxon/Mobil and wants to help GM sell less gas? Well
that's the kind of thinking we are talking about isn't it. I don't think
it's a question of if we will become less dependant on oil but rather when
we will. So whatever that next energy source is, the guys pumping the oil
and building the cars should be leading the way at finding it and exploiting
it. Or else they will be like the dinosaurs.

I'm a big Tom Friedman fan and I also like W a lot too. Yeah that makes me
pretty conflicted. I don't think the government has to mandate a national
commitment for there to be one. It just takes some business leaders with
vision. See Bill Gates and Michael Dell.

So why don't you have a diesel option for a Wrangler? Hmm, I see what you
mean, I'm going to go see how my homebrew is doing (watch the bubbles).

Good on you.

I maybe back in Detroit to work on my project soon

http://www.freekenergy.com/