Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:

> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>

So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!

Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
something at idle. With great engine braking.

The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?

-jeff

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:

> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>

So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!

Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
something at idle. With great engine braking.

The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?

-jeff

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:

> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>

So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!

Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
something at idle. With great engine braking.

The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?

-jeff

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>
>
>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>
>
>
> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>
> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>
> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>
> -jeff
>

Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
difference between HP and Torque.

You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra,
they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>
>
>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>
>
>
> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>
> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>
> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>
> -jeff
>

Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
difference between HP and Torque.

You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra,
they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>
>
>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>
>
>
> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>
> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>
> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>
> -jeff
>

Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
difference between HP and Torque.

You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra,
they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

waldron is just trailor trash ....heLikes to poke his nose in everyone elses
business because he is 4'8" 200lbs lives in a trailor and has bad
acne..(little man syndroum I suppose) the stats came from JP magazine. They
have an article showing all the differences between the 06 and 07...very
informative article!



--
"twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
news:2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com...

>>
>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>
>>
>>
>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world
>> is
>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>
>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>
>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>
> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
> difference between HP and Torque.
>
> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra, they
> are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan next
> year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I passed
> on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07 improvements on
> the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

waldron is just trailor trash ....heLikes to poke his nose in everyone elses
business because he is 4'8" 200lbs lives in a trailor and has bad
acne..(little man syndroum I suppose) the stats came from JP magazine. They
have an article showing all the differences between the 06 and 07...very
informative article!



--
"twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
news:2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com...

>>
>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>
>>
>>
>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world
>> is
>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>
>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>
>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>
> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
> difference between HP and Torque.
>
> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra, they
> are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan next
> year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I passed
> on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07 improvements on
> the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

waldron is just trailor trash ....heLikes to poke his nose in everyone elses
business because he is 4'8" 200lbs lives in a trailor and has bad
acne..(little man syndroum I suppose) the stats came from JP magazine. They
have an article showing all the differences between the 06 and 07...very
informative article!



--
"twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
news:2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com...

>>
>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>
>>
>>
>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world
>> is
>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>
>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>
>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>
> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
> difference between HP and Torque.
>
> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go. One question on the Tundra, they
> are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan next
> year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I passed
> on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07 improvements on
> the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: 07 vs. 06 Wrangler torque curves?
 

I think this is where the new 3.8 V-6s are going to fall flat on their
face. (More info is at http://www.allpar.com/mopar/37.html). They
openly admit that torque is not nearly as strong at the straight-6's,
and that more emphasis is being placed on high-revving engines that
offer better fuel economy, (ahem) ...typical of the Minivan Heritage
from which this design was taken.

If you extrapolate the torque curves on both charts, it's clear that
the present I-6 offers twice the torque at ldle than the new 3.7. DC
doesn't have much of a choice I guess: tooling for I-6's is worn and it
will cost a bundle to continue producing, and the Feds want more fuel
economy and lowered emissions. Something had to give eventually -
nothing good lasts forever.

You won't ever see a rework of the 4.0. It's a terribly inefficient
design from an economy and emissions standpoint. But the longevity,
brute-strength and reliability is something that you will never see
purposely designed into a 'modern' engine.