Lon

You think I'm a canadian because you are one of those folks who just
cannot stand the thought that the constitution applies to everyone.
Actually I'm a conservative--except for the current spate of insanity
where a few folks are giving conservatives a bad name. And yes, am
american--great uncle was a rather famous conservative senator.


twaldron proclaimed:

> You should rely on the facts more than biased conjecture from the media
> and your constituents. You are clearly the child of a media based
> education. Why do I think you are Canadian? Are you even a US citizen?
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Actually Clinton got a perfectly legal deferral and was not a sworn
>> member of the armed services at any point to have any commitment to
>> run away from. Not exactly what I would call up and up, but not that
>> uncommon for someone with a scholarship to a prestigious educational
>> institution. As for protesting against the US, your history is as
>> flawed as your other facts... there is and was a clear difference
>> between protesting against a war and protesting against the US itself.
>> e.g. Jane Fonda as compared to a few presidential candidates of the time.
>>
>> Unlike the other guy who did swear an oath as a member of the armed
>> services and then used political connections to avoid actually serving
>> more than nominal part time duty. With pretty strong rumors amongst
>> military folks that part of this was to avoid the consequences of a
>> urine test. Can't confirm the rumors...nor frankly care.
>>
>> billy ray proclaimed:
>>
>>> Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for
>>> ROTC
>>> and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested
>>> against
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards
>>> who
>>> ran away to Canada.
>>>
>>> But that is just my opinion....
>>>
>>> "twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Kzc0g.69974$dW3.58489@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com...
>>>
>>>> Right, let's go back to the big time 'ex-military' guys who don't
>>>> inhale. It was MUCH better back then. Cigar anyone? WAFJ.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>>
>>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>>
>>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>>
>>>> Lon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.
>>>>>
>>>>> America, where any AWOL alchoholic cocaine addict can grow up to be
>>>>> president.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Lon

You think I'm a canadian because you are one of those folks who just
cannot stand the thought that the constitution applies to everyone.
Actually I'm a conservative--except for the current spate of insanity
where a few folks are giving conservatives a bad name. And yes, am
american--great uncle was a rather famous conservative senator.


twaldron proclaimed:

> You should rely on the facts more than biased conjecture from the media
> and your constituents. You are clearly the child of a media based
> education. Why do I think you are Canadian? Are you even a US citizen?
>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>> Actually Clinton got a perfectly legal deferral and was not a sworn
>> member of the armed services at any point to have any commitment to
>> run away from. Not exactly what I would call up and up, but not that
>> uncommon for someone with a scholarship to a prestigious educational
>> institution. As for protesting against the US, your history is as
>> flawed as your other facts... there is and was a clear difference
>> between protesting against a war and protesting against the US itself.
>> e.g. Jane Fonda as compared to a few presidential candidates of the time.
>>
>> Unlike the other guy who did swear an oath as a member of the armed
>> services and then used political connections to avoid actually serving
>> more than nominal part time duty. With pretty strong rumors amongst
>> military folks that part of this was to avoid the consequences of a
>> urine test. Can't confirm the rumors...nor frankly care.
>>
>> billy ray proclaimed:
>>
>>> Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for
>>> ROTC
>>> and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested
>>> against
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards
>>> who
>>> ran away to Canada.
>>>
>>> But that is just my opinion....
>>>
>>> "twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Kzc0g.69974$dW3.58489@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com...
>>>
>>>> Right, let's go back to the big time 'ex-military' guys who don't
>>>> inhale. It was MUCH better back then. Cigar anyone? WAFJ.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>>
>>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>>
>>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>>
>>>> Lon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.
>>>>>
>>>>> America, where any AWOL alchoholic cocaine addict can grow up to be
>>>>> president.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Lon

I'm afraid you just might be right...

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Unfortunately, I believe we have even more cowards today, and we
> are about to lose our country.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>
>>Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for ROTC
>>and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested against
>>the US.
>>
>>He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards who
>>ran away to Canada.
>>
>>But that is just my opinion....

Lon

I'm afraid you just might be right...

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Unfortunately, I believe we have even more cowards today, and we
> are about to lose our country.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>
>>Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for ROTC
>>and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested against
>>the US.
>>
>>He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards who
>>ran away to Canada.
>>
>>But that is just my opinion....

twaldron

Um...huh? You continue writing your own history. If you have a valid
point, make it. Don't just invent arguments. Everyone has their own
opinion, but make it on facts, please.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Lon wrote:
> You think I'm a canadian because you are one of those folks who just
> cannot stand the thought that the constitution applies to everyone.

twaldron

Um...huh? You continue writing your own history. If you have a valid
point, make it. Don't just invent arguments. Everyone has their own
opinion, but make it on facts, please.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Lon wrote:
> You think I'm a canadian because you are one of those folks who just
> cannot stand the thought that the constitution applies to everyone.

billy ray

If anything I've cited below is incorrect please point it out and show your
documentation.



"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Cu6dnQOc8PDdLdzZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Wow, looks like the democrats arent the only ones who can make ---- up
> to feed their fantasies.
>
>
> billy ray proclaimed:
>
> > In 1968 Bill Clinton was classified as 1-A on March 20. He was ordered
to
> > report for induction on July 28, 1969. He didn't show. He then was
> > re-classified as 1-D after enlisting in the Army Reserves on August 7,
1969
> > and takes the oath of enlistment. He failed to report to his duty
station at
> > the University of Arkansas ROTC in September 1969. He was in England. On
> > October 15, 1969 he organized and led an Anti-War demonstration in
London.
> > to England - where an induction notice was mailed to him. After that,
the
> > record gets murky. On October 30, 1969 Bill Clinton was reclassified by
his
> > Draft Board as 1-A. On November 15, 1969 Bill Clinton organized and led
> > another anti-war demonstration in London.
> >
> > On December 3, 1969 Bill Clinton wrote to Lt. Colonel Holmes, who headed
the
> > University of Arkansas ROTC at the time, to explain why he had not shown
up
> > as ordered by had gone to England instate. That letter, which was placed
in
> > the Congressional Record on July 30, 1993 by Rep. Dornan of California,
> > states in Clinton's own words: "When the draft came, despite political
> > convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a
war
> > I had been fighting against."
> >
> > He applied for the 'legal' deferral with fraudulent intent as evidenced
by
> > his own letter to his ROTC commander.
> >
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...aftletter.html
> >
> > Lt. Bush requested and received a transfer from the Texas Air National
Guard
> > to the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Alabama so he could work,
off
> > duty, on the Senate campaign of 'Red" Blount.
> >
> > Despite the lies and forgeries disseminated by the Demoncrats and their
> > liberal commie media lackeys no evidence of his being AWOL have been
> > demonstrated, and testimony of fellow unit members, supported by medical
and
> > dental examination records as well as pay records have been ignored.
But
> > them I assume you will attribute this all to some vast Right-Wing
Conspiracy
> > that the only evidence is that he was not AWOL.
> >
> > On the other hand it is well documented in public records and the letter
> > written by mr clinton himself, referenced above, clearly demonstrates
his
> > character and general lack of honor.
> >
> > I can only surmise that mr clinton assumed that his confessional letter
> > would have been lost over the years.
> >
> > Perhaps it is best to allow an old friend of mr clinton to describe his
> > character.Cliff Jackson,an Arkansas attorney was a friend and classmate
of
> > bill clinton at Oxford in the late 1960s.Although he professes no
personal
> > rancor toward mr clinton, Jackson is a vocal critic of what he describes
as
> > mr. clinton's "casual willingness to deceive, to exploit, and to
manipulate
> > in order to attain personal and political power."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:vKmdnRw7WuEFE9zZRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Actually Clinton got a perfectly legal deferral and was not a sworn
> >>member of the armed services at any point to have any commitment to run
> >>away from. Not exactly what I would call up and up, but not that
> >>uncommon for someone with a scholarship to a prestigious educational
> >>institution. As for protesting against the US, your history is as
> >>flawed as your other facts... there is and was a clear difference
> >>between protesting against a war and protesting against the US itself.
> >>e.g. Jane Fonda as compared to a few presidential candidates of the
time.
> >>
> >>Unlike the other guy who did swear an oath as a member of the armed
> >>services and then used political connections to avoid actually serving
> >>more than nominal part time duty. With pretty strong rumors amongst
> >>military folks that part of this was to avoid the consequences of a
> >>urine test. Can't confirm the rumors...nor frankly care.
> >>
> >>billy ray proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for
> >
> > ROTC
> >
> >>>and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested
> >
> > against
> >
> >>>the US.
> >>>
> >>>He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards
> >
> > who
> >
> >>>ran away to Canada.
> >>>
> >>>But that is just my opinion....
> >>>
> >>>"twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:Kzc0g.69974$dW3.58489@newssvr21.news.prodi gy.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Right, let's go back to the big time 'ex-military' guys who don't
> >>>>inhale. It was MUCH better back then. Cigar anyone? WAFJ.
> >>>>
> >>>>tw
> >>>>______________________________________________ _______________________
> >>>>2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>
> >>>>"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> >>>>capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> >>>>______________________________________________ _______________________
> >>>>
> >>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>America, where any AWOL alchoholic cocaine addict can grow up to be
> >>>>>president.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

billy ray

If anything I've cited below is incorrect please point it out and show your
documentation.



"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Cu6dnQOc8PDdLdzZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Wow, looks like the democrats arent the only ones who can make ---- up
> to feed their fantasies.
>
>
> billy ray proclaimed:
>
> > In 1968 Bill Clinton was classified as 1-A on March 20. He was ordered
to
> > report for induction on July 28, 1969. He didn't show. He then was
> > re-classified as 1-D after enlisting in the Army Reserves on August 7,
1969
> > and takes the oath of enlistment. He failed to report to his duty
station at
> > the University of Arkansas ROTC in September 1969. He was in England. On
> > October 15, 1969 he organized and led an Anti-War demonstration in
London.
> > to England - where an induction notice was mailed to him. After that,
the
> > record gets murky. On October 30, 1969 Bill Clinton was reclassified by
his
> > Draft Board as 1-A. On November 15, 1969 Bill Clinton organized and led
> > another anti-war demonstration in London.
> >
> > On December 3, 1969 Bill Clinton wrote to Lt. Colonel Holmes, who headed
the
> > University of Arkansas ROTC at the time, to explain why he had not shown
up
> > as ordered by had gone to England instate. That letter, which was placed
in
> > the Congressional Record on July 30, 1993 by Rep. Dornan of California,
> > states in Clinton's own words: "When the draft came, despite political
> > convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a
war
> > I had been fighting against."
> >
> > He applied for the 'legal' deferral with fraudulent intent as evidenced
by
> > his own letter to his ROTC commander.
> >
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...aftletter.html
> >
> > Lt. Bush requested and received a transfer from the Texas Air National
Guard
> > to the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Alabama so he could work,
off
> > duty, on the Senate campaign of 'Red" Blount.
> >
> > Despite the lies and forgeries disseminated by the Demoncrats and their
> > liberal commie media lackeys no evidence of his being AWOL have been
> > demonstrated, and testimony of fellow unit members, supported by medical
and
> > dental examination records as well as pay records have been ignored.
But
> > them I assume you will attribute this all to some vast Right-Wing
Conspiracy
> > that the only evidence is that he was not AWOL.
> >
> > On the other hand it is well documented in public records and the letter
> > written by mr clinton himself, referenced above, clearly demonstrates
his
> > character and general lack of honor.
> >
> > I can only surmise that mr clinton assumed that his confessional letter
> > would have been lost over the years.
> >
> > Perhaps it is best to allow an old friend of mr clinton to describe his
> > character.Cliff Jackson,an Arkansas attorney was a friend and classmate
of
> > bill clinton at Oxford in the late 1960s.Although he professes no
personal
> > rancor toward mr clinton, Jackson is a vocal critic of what he describes
as
> > mr. clinton's "casual willingness to deceive, to exploit, and to
manipulate
> > in order to attain personal and political power."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:vKmdnRw7WuEFE9zZRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Actually Clinton got a perfectly legal deferral and was not a sworn
> >>member of the armed services at any point to have any commitment to run
> >>away from. Not exactly what I would call up and up, but not that
> >>uncommon for someone with a scholarship to a prestigious educational
> >>institution. As for protesting against the US, your history is as
> >>flawed as your other facts... there is and was a clear difference
> >>between protesting against a war and protesting against the US itself.
> >>e.g. Jane Fonda as compared to a few presidential candidates of the
time.
> >>
> >>Unlike the other guy who did swear an oath as a member of the armed
> >>services and then used political connections to avoid actually serving
> >>more than nominal part time duty. With pretty strong rumors amongst
> >>military folks that part of this was to avoid the consequences of a
> >>urine test. Can't confirm the rumors...nor frankly care.
> >>
> >>billy ray proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for
> >
> > ROTC
> >
> >>>and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested
> >
> > against
> >
> >>>the US.
> >>>
> >>>He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards
> >
> > who
> >
> >>>ran away to Canada.
> >>>
> >>>But that is just my opinion....
> >>>
> >>>"twaldron" <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:Kzc0g.69974$dW3.58489@newssvr21.news.prodi gy.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Right, let's go back to the big time 'ex-military' guys who don't
> >>>>inhale. It was MUCH better back then. Cigar anyone? WAFJ.
> >>>>
> >>>>tw
> >>>>______________________________________________ _______________________
> >>>>2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>
> >>>>"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> >>>>capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> >>>>______________________________________________ _______________________
> >>>>
> >>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>America, where any AWOL alchoholic cocaine addict can grow up to be
> >>>>>president.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >