Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

Nope. You can't see the front left wheel well enough to be sure it was
firmly planted. But, you can tell from the cloud of dust that was generated
fron the left front of the vehicle that when the right rear was spinning,
the left front was spinning as well. That's what happens in those situations
with open diffs.

I'm not saying a Liberty isn't somewhat capable, but it has its
shortcomings. The one time I saw one off-road, it got hi-centered on a mound
of dirt that stock TJ's were clearing.

"Jason Ross" <someone@some.com> wrote in message
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> I believe that it is in full time 4WD only and not part time 4WD. I say
this
> because there was not enough wheelspin on the front wheels which looked
> firmly planted to me, if the centre diff was locked like it should have
been
> there should have been more action from the front end. I know real Jeeps
> don't have full time 4WD but please have a closer look.
>
> You guy's really should drive a KJ you would be surprised. I bought mine
> because I do a lot of motorway driving but it has proven itself to be very
> capable in the limited amount of off-road work I've done in it so far.
>
> I have always slammed IFS 4WDrives but for a lot of people a KJ will do
all
> they want plus some, it all comes down to personal choice.
>
> Jason
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:40F2EEBC.242282AC@cox.net...
> > Jason,
> > It was a well maintained dirt road, where water was directed
> > diagonally across the road to prevent wash out. Denial is not just a
> > river in Egypt, look at the video again and you'll see the left front
> > rock finally get down to bottom of the six inch deep culvert and throw a
> > little dirt: http://www.----------.com/libbyTraction.mpeg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jason Ross wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > > If the vehicle was in 4WD it would have easily got past this obstacle.
> Also
> > > if the driver had driven a sensible line like he ended up doing in the
> end
> > > it would have been fine.
> > >
> > > A bad driver can have the best vehicle and still get stuck, but I'm
sure
> you
> > > will have your own opinion on this. But then again I drive a diesel
> Liberty
> > > (Cherokee) in the UK so what would I know.
> > >
> > > And yes I haven't listed my propper e-mail address.
> > >
> > > Jason
>
>

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

> I'm not saying a Liberty isn't somewhat capable, but it has its
shortcomings. The one time I saw one off-road, it got hi-centered on a mound
of dirt that stock TJ's were clearing.<

Liberty was designed for the cute-ute market and is simply not a Jeep as we
know them. I watched one smack bottom and spin tires all the way up & down a
local trail that a stock TJ or XJ could handle easily. Jeep is obviously in
process of abandoning it's market in order to appeal to the soccer-mom
crowd. As soon as the new Grand comes out with its IFS you can wave goodby
to Jeep as we know it. Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

> I'm not saying a Liberty isn't somewhat capable, but it has its
shortcomings. The one time I saw one off-road, it got hi-centered on a mound
of dirt that stock TJ's were clearing.<

Liberty was designed for the cute-ute market and is simply not a Jeep as we
know them. I watched one smack bottom and spin tires all the way up & down a
local trail that a stock TJ or XJ could handle easily. Jeep is obviously in
process of abandoning it's market in order to appeal to the soccer-mom
crowd. As soon as the new Grand comes out with its IFS you can wave goodby
to Jeep as we know it. Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

> I'm not saying a Liberty isn't somewhat capable, but it has its
shortcomings. The one time I saw one off-road, it got hi-centered on a mound
of dirt that stock TJ's were clearing.<

Liberty was designed for the cute-ute market and is simply not a Jeep as we
know them. I watched one smack bottom and spin tires all the way up & down a
local trail that a stock TJ or XJ could handle easily. Jeep is obviously in
process of abandoning it's market in order to appeal to the soccer-mom
crowd. As soon as the new Grand comes out with its IFS you can wave goodby
to Jeep as we know it. Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

> I'm not saying a Liberty isn't somewhat capable, but it has its
shortcomings. The one time I saw one off-road, it got hi-centered on a mound
of dirt that stock TJ's were clearing.<

Liberty was designed for the cute-ute market and is simply not a Jeep as we
know them. I watched one smack bottom and spin tires all the way up & down a
local trail that a stock TJ or XJ could handle easily. Jeep is obviously in
process of abandoning it's market in order to appeal to the soccer-mom
crowd. As soon as the new Grand comes out with its IFS you can wave goodby
to Jeep as we know it. Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

THAT'S when I see major protests from every online jeeping forum being
organized... Who cares about what happened with the KJ. They probably
needed the sales and money anyways.
Nick

>Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

THAT'S when I see major protests from every online jeeping forum being
organized... Who cares about what happened with the KJ. They probably
needed the sales and money anyways.
Nick

>Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

THAT'S when I see major protests from every online jeeping forum being
organized... Who cares about what happened with the KJ. They probably
needed the sales and money anyways.
Nick

>Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

THAT'S when I see major protests from every online jeeping forum being
organized... Who cares about what happened with the KJ. They probably
needed the sales and money anyways.
Nick

>Next to go will be the TJ replacement.

Re: 04 Jeep Liberty.
 

The folks in Auburn Hills are very aware of the fact that the Wrangler is
held in such regard among the off-road community. I view the KJ and the
upcoming changes to the Grand as big money makers for them so they can still
build the Wrangler as it should be built.

That said, the Unlimted Rubicon may be in my driveway late this year while I
can still get it....

"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> THAT'S when I see major protests from every online jeeping forum being
> organized... Who cares about what happened with the KJ. They probably
> needed the sales and money anyways.
> Nick
>
> >Next to go will be the TJ replacement.
>
>